As basically a new team...

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BOP said:
Just because the team hasnt had much success doesnt mean it is new. This team is loaded with 3 year starters.
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... Who pretty much are starting from scratch. Doug Matthew, former UT coach under Majors who does a radio program here in the weekend, said when talking with Butch and the staff, they're pleased with both lines, OL and DL, but concerned everywhere else, in the skilled positions.

The tenured players don't have experience with this staff, this system. Gonna take time to learn and perfect. And just to say they have experience doesn't mean much to me. For instance, what experience, as a whole, does the defense have? They don't know how to tackle. They have experience on how to be an historically bad defense. That's not good. It's not their fault, by all accounts their attitudes are great, eager to learn, but still very much to do.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not really. He just doesn't know how to get it done on game day. That plagued him at LT and then at UT. He's a good set up man for programs in bad shape. He's a very good administrator of a program. He's just not a good "coach" when the lights come on. There are coaches like that... players like that... and people in every walk of life like that.

It does not mean he's an "idiot" on or off the field. It just isn't what he does well.[/

All too often when "idiot" is used, it's often by a person who is up close and personal with the term.
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CBJ didn't have success his first yr at Cincy. I think we have to curb our excitement just a bit and remember the bigger picture. This team will struggle. If it doesn't then I'll be happily surprised. But my expectations are not high for this team. I do think CBJ is good for this program and we will find success in the years to come.
 
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Aday25 said:
CBJ didn't have success his first yr at Cincy. I think we have to curb our excitement just a bit and remember the bigger picture. This team will struggle. If it doesn't then I'll be happily surprised. But my expectations are not high for this team. I do think CBJ is good for this program and we will find success in the years to come.
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Good post. Reasonable. We should expect a better coached, well coached team. Don't think we should declare CBJ a failure/ loser if he doesn't win "X" number of games and win a bowl game first year. Shortsighted in my view.
 
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Aday25 said:
CBJ didn't have success his first yr at Cincy. I think we have to curb our excitement just a bit and remember the bigger picture. This team will struggle. If it doesn't then I'll be happily surprised. But my expectations are not high for this team. I do think CBJ is good for this program and we will find success in the years to come.
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Our team is buying in during his first year. Butch couldn't get cincy to buy in the first year.
 
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sjt18 said:
If Jones finishes 7-6 with this team then UT definitely does not have the right coach. Prepare to go through it again in 2 or 3 years.

Teams win with youth at skill positions and QB. UT's defensive talent and experience is BETTER than it was when Wilcox had them mid-pack in the SEC with 22.6 ppg and 340 ypg. With just that kind of D... UT would have been a 9 or 10 win team in '12.

The short answer is that Jones inherits a team with talent and a good level of experience. He should be able to win games.
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I almost always agree with what you have to say, but with 5 games against likely top 10 teams, and us having a new system (again), and losing most of our offensive productivity and one of the worst defenses in UT history last year, I think if he can manage to go 7-6 then he is definitely the right guy for the job. I'd be utterly shocked with anything better than that.
 
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Burger said:
Our team is buying in during his first year. Butch couldn't get cincy to buy in the first year.
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Cincy didn't have our schedule either. Regardless if the players have bought in or not when you have the schedule we have we shouldn't have as high of expectations in yr 1. Either way yr 1 shouldn't be used as a measuring stick when it comes to Ls and Ws.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Didn't open the link. But by the title I have to ask what is has to do with Derrick Dooley?
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I think he was trying to say that the head coach at Georgia might need to learn a bit about calling time outs.

Or actually clock management. I had to go back and watch the last 28 seconds of that game.
 
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Aday25 said:
Cincy didn't have our schedule either. Regardless if the players have bought in or not when you have the schedule we have we shouldn't have as high of expectations in yr 1. Either way yr 1 shouldn't be used as a measuring stick when it comes to Ls and Ws.
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I agree with you, but buying in makes the biggest different. We won't go below .500. We have the talent to beat most of our schedule. We were terribly coached under Dooley, and it will have to be fixed.
 
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I'm sure that our new coach understands that you call a timeout with 13 Vols on the field.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dooley seemed to be a "details" guy... in fact... kind of anal.

But being detail oriented is only good if you can take a big step backwards and take in the big picture. You have to make it all fit together in the end. Maybe that was/is his problem as a HC?

He did tend to disregard people and their feelings in the way he conducted his business. Without the gameday deficiencies... none of us would have cared.
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Was it his problem or the fanbases problem for not being able to see the big picture and giving enough time to get it done. Like you said before he inherited a team depleted at all positions and bad too. He needed to rebuild at every spot which takes time when dealing with recruiting being regulated like it is.

It seems like people on here think that CBJ inherited something bad but it's no where near what Dooley did. The players characters are way better too so less things for CBJ to deal with in that regard. Only foolish people think that our current QB situation is anywhere near as bad as the one that Dooley walked into.

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I almost always agree with what you have to say, but with 5 games against likely top 10 teams, and us having a new system (again), and losing most of our offensive productivity and one of the worst defenses in UT history last year, I think if he can manage to go 7-6 then he is definitely the right guy for the job. I'd be utterly shocked with anything better than that.
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CBJ has no excuse to not have a better winning season than Dooley's first. He's inheriting an NFL line, QBs with some time on campus and one with some SEC experience, players with character/talent, like Croom, to step up and get the job done.

Also, don't want to hear this 5 games against potential top 10 teams either. Dooley's first yr played Bama, Oregon, Ark with Petrino, sec east teams, and took LSU to he wire in BR of all places. His second yr he still played the same teams minus oregon. This yr we play how many teams with new coaches?? This yr he's going to have to beat these new coaches to make the pt he is the guy.

There will be growing pains and I understand that but like sjt18 said CBJ winning only 7 games and being 100% confident he is our coach for the future don't go hand in hand. Dooley built the foundation and the house, now CBJ is just finishing up the final touches. He needs to get it done. If all y'all like to bash Dooley for being an idiot than he set the line at 7 so CBJ needs to do better. No ands, ifs, or buts.

Disclaimer for all you whiners: this isn't a bashing CBJ post. CBJ has potential and hoping he gets it done. He has very little wiggle room IMO and he shouldn't get it more. Don't want to hear this crap about how I give Dooley slack, cause its 2 totally different situations. If y'all can't understand that don't waste your time by making a stupid response.
 
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I am just hoping that Peterman wins starting job and gets his mistakes outta the way early and hopefully by the time we play Georgia we can at least compete offensively. Defense will be interesting. ...I hope Smith and Miller can finally get it together and bring the heat.
 
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The telling tell with this coaching staff will be can they adjust to fix things that are working against us. We will know this by the end of the bama this season.
 
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General Jack said:
I almost always agree with what you have to say, but with 5 games against likely top 10 teams, and us having a new system (again), and losing most of our offensive productivity and one of the worst defenses in UT history last year, I think if he can manage to go 7-6 then he is definitely the right guy for the job. I'd be utterly shocked with anything better than that.
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Absolutely General. Absolutely.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Was it his problem or the fanbases problem for not being able to see the big picture and giving enough time to get it done. Like you said before he inherited a team depleted at all positions and bad too. He needed to rebuild at every spot which takes time when dealing with recruiting being regulated like it is.

It seems like people on here think that CBJ inherited something bad but it's no where near what Dooley did. The players characters are way better too so less things for CBJ to deal with in that regard. Only foolish people think that our current QB situation is anywhere near as bad as the one that Dooley walked into.



CBJ has no excuse to not have a better winning season than Dooley's first. He's inheriting an NFL line, QBs with some time on campus and one with some SEC experience, players with character/talent, like Croom, to step up and get the job done.

Also, don't want to hear this 5 games against potential top 10 teams either. Dooley's first yr played Bama, Oregon, Ark with Petrino, sec east teams, and took LSU to he wire in BR of all places. His second yr he still played the same teams minus oregon. This yr we play how many teams with new coaches?? This yr he's going to have to beat these new coaches to make the pt he is the guy.

There will be growing pains and I understand that but like sjt18 said CBJ winning only 7 games and being 100% confident he is our coach for the future don't go hand in hand. Dooley built the foundation and the house, now CBJ is just finishing up the final touches. He needs to get it done. If all y'all like to bash Dooley for being an idiot than he set the line at 7 so CBJ needs to do better. No ands, ifs, or buts.

Disclaimer for all you whiners: this isn't a bashing CBJ post. CBJ has potential and hoping he gets it done. He has very little wiggle room IMO and he shouldn't get it more. Don't want to hear this crap about how I give Dooley slack, cause its 2 totally different situations. If y'all can't understand that don't waste your time by making a stupid response.
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Smh. I wasted my time by reading this tripe.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Was it his problem or the fanbases problem for not being able to see the big picture and giving enough time to get it done. Like you said before he inherited a team depleted at all positions and bad too. He needed to rebuild at every spot which takes time when dealing with recruiting being regulated like it is.

It seems like people on here think that CBJ inherited something bad but it's no where near what Dooley did. The players characters are way better too so less things for CBJ to deal with in that regard. Only foolish people think that our current QB situation is anywhere near as bad as the one that Dooley walked into.



CBJ has no excuse to not have a better winning season than Dooley's first. He's inheriting an NFL line, QBs with some time on campus and one with some SEC experience, players with character/talent, like Croom, to step up and get the job done.

Also, don't want to hear this 5 games against potential top 10 teams either. Dooley's first yr played Bama, Oregon, Ark with Petrino, sec east teams, and took LSU to he wire in BR of all places. His second yr he still played the same teams minus oregon. This yr we play how many teams with new coaches?? This yr he's going to have to beat these new coaches to make the pt he is the guy.

There will be growing pains and I understand that but like sjt18 said CBJ winning only 7 games and being 100% confident he is our coach for the future don't go hand in hand. Dooley built the foundation and the house, now CBJ is just finishing up the final touches. He needs to get it done. If all y'all like to bash Dooley for being an idiot than he set the line at 7 so CBJ needs to do better. No ands, ifs, or buts.

Disclaimer for all you whiners: this isn't a bashing CBJ post. CBJ has potential and hoping he gets it done. He has very little wiggle room IMO and he shouldn't get it more. Don't want to hear this crap about how I give Dooley slack, cause its 2 totally different situations. If y'all can't understand that don't waste your time by making a stupid response.
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