Assault with a deadly lineman - Meyers' idea of institutional control...

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Our players want to be prepared in case the Russia-Georgia thing spills over to Gainesville.
 
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didnt we have someone kicked off the team for waving a fake gun>>??.....and i know someone got kicked off for shootin a mere lil pistol......CUM good coach but some poor morals if this is true
 
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There is a thread about this in the NCAA forum. Will say the same thing today I said yesterday, which is that I'm very unhappy about it, disgusted really.

Last I heard he was on scout team and if that is just a ploy for him to keep his scholly and to turn the page once he gets out, then I'm still unhappy but its not that big a deal I suppose. But if he takes the field for a game, I'm just dead set against it and I would join in the criticism of Meyer.

I am very worried that this kid will do something awful if he stays on and that Meyer would get deeply and roundly criticized for that, and which would be deserved, IMO. I hope that doesn't happen, of course. But it worries me.

I don't want that player on my school's team, that's for sure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a thread about this in the NCAA forum. Will say the same thing today I said yesterday, which is that I'm very unhappy about it, disgusted really.

Last I heard he was on scout team and if that is just a ploy for him to keep his scholly and to turn the page once he gets out, then I'm still unhappy but its not that big a deal I suppose. But if he takes the field for a game, I'm just dead set against it and I would join in the criticism of Meyer.

I am very worried that this kid will do something awful if he stays on and that Meyer would get deeply and roundly criticized for that, and which would be deserved, IMO. I hope that doesn't happen, of course. But it worries me.

I don't want that player on my school's team, that's for sure.
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What about the other player that punched the kid in the jaw? Did you listen to the 911 call?
 
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He's a good coach who's going to tarnish his rep with a win at all cost mentality. We've already seen it with the big game selective suspension avoidance of Marcus Thomas in 2006... and many rumors about the extent of his negative recruiting tactics.
 
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General Jack said:
He's a good coach who's going to tarnish his rep with a win at all cost mentality. We've already seen it with the big game selective suspension avoidance of Marcus Thomas in 2006... and many rumors about the extent of his negative recruiting tactics.

Good fit for a florida coach IMO, represents the fan base well.
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Don't weaken the legitimate criticism of Meyer with regard to this situation by comparing it the Marcus Thomas case, which was much more complicated than you account.
 
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Lexvol said:
Absolutely. Why? Because we have no idea how many of those homeruns came against juiced pitchers, and how many strikeouts came against juiced hitters.
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Lex..this appears weak; I don't get it, probably it's just me! Maybe you are presenting a better argument than what is evident at the surface. Please explain?....:question:
One might take(wrongly) from this answer, that it's ok to cheat because everyone does it? I don't think that's what you were saying.:good!:
 
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volswin08 said:
Lex..this appears weak; I don't get it, probably it's just me! Maybe you are presenting a better argument than what is evident at the surface. Please explain?....:question:
One might take(wrongly) from this answer, that it's ok to cheat because everyone does it? I don't think that's what you were saying.:good!:
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When all is said and done there will be an era in baseball that most historians of the game will call the steroid era. It will be dubbed the steroid era because of the prevelance of steroid use by a large percentage of the players in the game. Pinning guilt on two players for this era and dismissing their accomplishments is criminal.

I don't give a rats behind about either one of these guys, but they are scapegoats. So my argument remains. Roger may have been juiced, but he was pitching to a bunch of roid freaks. Barry may have been juiced, but he was hitting against a poop load of roided out pitchers.

Further more, neither has been proven guilty knowingly using steroids in the first place.
 
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Lexvol said:
When all is said and done there will be an era in baseball that most historians of the game will call the steroid era. It will be dubbed the steroid era because of the prevelance of steroid use by a large percentage of the players in the game. Pinning guilt on two players for this era and dismissing their accomplishments is criminal.

I don't give a rats behind about either one of these guys, but they are scapegoats. So my argument remains. Roger may have been juiced, but he was pitching to a bunch of roid freaks. Barry may have been juiced, but he was hitting against a poop load of roided out pitchers.

Further more, neither has been proven guilty knowingly using steroids in the first place.
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O.J. is still looking for Nichole's killer also.....:detective:
 
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volswin08 said:
O.J. is still looking for Nichole's killer also.....:detective:
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Which argument is "weak" and which one makes more sense...

1. Choosing not to discard records of two of the best players of an era (if not all time) who have not been found guilty of knowingly using performancing enhancing steroids. Especially considering that they played in an era when countless baseball players were doing the same thing. (It was illegal but not against the official rules at the time)

or

2. Assuming they are guilty and throwing all of their accomplishments away even though it is probable that at least 50- 75% of their competitors were using and never got caught.


Are you Jose Conseco's co-author?
 
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Lexvol said:
Which argument is "weak" and which one makes more sense...

1. Choosing not to discard records of two of the best players of an era (if not all time) who have not been found guilty of knowingly using performancing enhancing steroids. Especially considering that they played in an era when countless baseball players were doing the same thing. (It was illegal but not against the official rules at the time)

or

2. Assuming they are guilty and throwing all of their accomplishments away even though it is probable that at least 50- 75% of their competitors were using and never got caught.


Are you Jose Conseco's co-author?
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I concede "last word" to you...However, that has not changed my thoughts, or beliefs on right vs. wrong even if 75% are doing wrong...And finally, no I'm not trying to co-author anything, only expressing my heart. :salute:
 
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Lexvol said:
That is really my point as well. There is absolutely no sense in defining a head coach by his player suspensions, or his disciplinary measures. Unless the NCAA starts handing out punishments to "said headcoach" for cheating, coaches should be judged on the accomplishments of their team.
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that was a long, long time ago Lex.......

and in an era where the "fulmer cup" exists, i have no problem with any/all transgressions being put out for the masses to digest and determine for themselves who is and is not a fraud or who is or is not worthy of their accomplishments.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that was a long, long time ago Lex.......

and in an era where the "fulmer cup" exists, i have no problem with any/all transgressions being put out for the masses to digest and determine for themselves who is and is not a fraud or who is or is not worthy of their accomplishments.
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If one wins their games, they are worthy of their accomplishments. I'll leave the handwringing about ultimately irrelevant off field issues to the puritans on the board.
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jakez4ut said:
that was a long, long time ago Lex.......

and in an era where the "fulmer cup" exists, i have no problem with any/all transgressions being put out for the masses to digest and determine for themselves who is and is not a fraud or who is or is not worthy of their accomplishments.
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Unless they are caught cheating by the NCAA, one is only proven fraudulent on the field of play.

Thereby "fraud" typically becomes one of those words fans of struggling programs throw out there to make themselves feel better.

If we were to make a list of coaches who didn't lie to fans, boosters and recruits on the recruiting trail how many coaches would be on that docket?
 
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hatvol96 said:
If one wins their games, they are worthy of their accomplishments. I'll leave the handwringing about ultimately irrelevant off field issues to the puritans on the board.
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I generally agree, but I certainly approach a few coaches differently. I think John Wooden is an absolute fraud.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a thread about this in the NCAA forum. Will say the same thing today I said yesterday, which is that I'm very unhappy about it, disgusted really.

Last I heard he was on scout team and if that is just a ploy for him to keep his scholly and to turn the page once he gets out, then I'm still unhappy but its not that big a deal I suppose. But if he takes the field for a game, I'm just dead set against it and I would join in the criticism of Meyer.

I am very worried that this kid will do something awful if he stays on and that Meyer would get deeply and roundly criticized for that, and which would be deserved, IMO. I hope that doesn't happen, of course. But it worries me.

I don't want that player on my school's team, that's for sure.
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With you being a gator fan, I'm happy to see someone's taking a hard stance against Wilson. I've been discussing this topic with some other gator fans and they seem to think it's best for Wilson's rehabilitation for him to back on the team. Also, they are using Atkin's suicide as ammunition for Meyer keeping him on the team (ridiculous)!

My thoughts are there are other avenues for rehabilitation that don't include doning shoulder pads and a helmet. Setting an awful high tolerance for acceptance of criminal activity will bite the Florida Gator program sooner rather than later I'm afraid.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I generally agree, but I certainly approach a few coaches differently. I think John Wooden is an absolute fraud.
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Having a mobster procure your players has a direct effect on what happens on the floor. That's a different issue than how a coach handles player behavior.
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