At this point, would you consider 5-7 a solid season?

[volballs1]

Is that a real question? Is a losing season acceptable? This is the worst post I've read in months. Without going crazy I'll answer simply. No, 5-7 is not acceptable. We the fans must hold these players AND coaches to a higher standard. Shame on you for even posing this question.

 

[Exray]

5-7 would be another big hit at the box office. They are practically giving tickets away to get people to come. The fans can't keep watching them lose home games.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Here we are debating 5 and 6 win seasons when not too long ago we were mad that Mike Hamilton was going to give Fulmer a raise or extension if he got 8 wins per year

yep, the last 5 years have really changed perspectives

 

[FlashVolNJ]

4-8 Disgusted (not happening)
5-7 Disappointed
6-7 OK with, we got to a bowl
7-6 Satisfied
8-5 Ecstatic

 

[vol445]

6-6 expected. 7-5 above great

 

[vol445]

NO
5-7 would be a huge set back for the program...we need a bowl game to continue the development of current players and continue the momentum with recruits going into NSD. With all the rules concerning student athletes practice hours etc.. it is vital to get that extra time..one would assume dolander's lack of post season play contributed to the abysmal player development on our current roster. most teams( like we once did) always have young players emerge during postseason play and that carries over to the following year...imagine all those extra reps for our young play makers..so we need to kick some azz and finish strong- GBO

I almost liked your post just don't feel it's a huge setback with our schedule and recent past

 

[Sudden Impact]

Sure... same as I consider 'C's on report cards from my kid ok. Employees arriving 20 mins late every day standard. Mowing my front yard and leaving my back yard knee high ok,

seriously?

When you accept mediocrity it becomes the new standard. We should be able to sleep walk through 5-7. If we do not beat KY or Vandy it will be a miserable wait til next year. 6-6 and low level bowl game is only acceptable outcome.

Bravo. Exactly. Never accept mediocrity. Goals, visions accountability, and standards were set. Truly believe that CBJ Set these at first of season and will always hold the players accountable.

The two ingredients he has addressed but can never be transferred are experience and conditioning.

I expect us to finish the season at 6-6, however, 5-7 is not out of reach nor is 7-5.

Bottom line is that these players cannot cash checks that their bodies or experience cannot fill.

The AL and Mizzou games were reality checks. We are worn, inexperienced, and young. Kids fold not because they are not trying, but because there is no gas in the tank.

At the end of the season, God forbid that they are 5-7. What is any fan going to do about it? Trash the players out? Trash the coaches out? Change coaches?

Complain for 10 months until the next season starts?

Take the players and coaches out back and shoot them because they did not meet your expectations on your schedule?

I hate these type threads. They accomplish nothing except a venting for fans that change their mind like the wind.

I can't stand James Franklin. He will go to any extreme to win and seeks attention. I want CBJs to thoroughly beat their A$$. I sat in the Vandy premier area last year and watched them whip us good. That should never happen. Was it mediocre play, yes, by some players, was it embarrassing, absolutely!

I am waiting to see if we finish these last three games as a team and plays like one. Something totally missing from the last two defeats. Frustrated yes. Mad yes.

Paralysis of Analysis and second guessing is where the fan base is today. It will continue no matter what record we finish with this season.

So why bother, this thread is a catch 22, even if they win out there will be complaining. Lose 2 of 3 and the flood gates will open. Ask this question at the end of the season, because nobody will ever be satisfied. I remember when 9-3 or 10-2 seasons were considered Mediocre.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Standards and reality don't always sync up. A wise person will recognize this and adjust accordingly or will wait patiently.

You can have a 50 gallon tank in your race car, but it will not start or run if it does not have fuel in the tank.

Fans set unrealistic standards and goals determined by their observations without considering all the facts.

 

[RollerVol]

I said 6-6 before this season started and that's what I want...oh yeah, and a bowl game!:good!:
I still believe we'll do it too.
GO VOLS!

 

[BigBadVol]

6-6. Losing to Vandy and Kentucky are never acceptable.

Exactly!:thumbsup:

 

[oregonvol]

I hate these type threads. They accomplish nothing except a venting for fans that change their mind like the wind.

...and yet you have more posts in this thread than just about anyone else

(sjt has 9, you have 7, and no one else has more than 4)

 

[lil'Butch]

I almost liked your post just don't feel it's a huge setback with our schedule and recent past

Thanks..NCAA doesn't technically limit the number of practices for bowl games..most coaches schedule around 15..that is the same as the 15 allowed for spring. I agree the schedule is brutal..I love CBJ. He is definitely the right guy for the job and yes it will take time but if we can't beat vandy and kentucky to secure one of the 70 spots available..then to answer the ops question no it's not a solid season and it is a setback for the program imo

 

[Sudden Impact]

...and yet you have more posts in this thread than just about anyone else

(sjt has 9, you have 7, and no one else has more than 4)

I did not state I avoided them. I just stated I hate these type of threads. The ole catch 22 prediction thread, a measurement of fan stupidity.

Post 8.

 

[MWAVolfan]

no matter our record, it will be disappointing due to the fact that we gave away two huge opportunities to win at Florida and against Georgia. To me it's more about that than what our final record is. At the end of the day, there really is no tangible difference in college football between 8-4 and 6-6. In either case you go to a meaningless bowl game. I never had unrealistic expectations for this season, however I must balance that with the fact that Florida and Georgia didnt come close to meeting my expectations of them.

The true measure of a season is how you handle each moment as it is presented to you. Do you blow it or do you seize upon the opportunity.

If Tennessee redeems themselves* against Auburn and beats Vandy and UK, then I will feel decent about the season. But the opportunities we absolutely blew will haunt me until next year.

* By "redeem themselves", I dont mean win the game. I mean dont look like a horses @ss in front of your home crowd and a national audience. Dont make it look like there isnt even an offense on the field. Dont make it look like Butch replaced the defense with a bunch of traffic cones for the Auburn offense to run around. I'm already sick of seeing Butch Jones fired up on the sidelines. I want to see HIS PLAYERS fired up.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

. . . At the end of the day, there really is no tangible difference in college football between 8-4 and 6-6. In either case you go to a meaningless bowl game. . . .

Perhaps to an "established" program accustomed and content with mediocrity, you are correct, but this year - to this team - any bowl game is FAR from meaningless.

The practice associated with a bowl game nearly equates to an extra spring practice.

 

[1974Vol]

Interested in who it was that considers 5-7 a "solid" season. Reveal yourself!

Probably not hard to find. Will have "Anchor Down" tattoo.

 

[sport3500]

At this point a 7-5 season with an instate bowl bid would give the program some solid momentum headed into 2014.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Perhaps to an "established" program accustomed and content with mediocrity, you are correct, but this year - to this team - any bowl game is FAR from meaningless.

The practice associated with a bowl game nearly equates to an extra spring practice.

yes, going to a bowl matters. But whichever one it is, it isnt going to be a respectable one. The practice time will be needed for sure.

 

[sjt18]

are you comparing Dallas to Moore and Jones? North, Smith and Croom are Fr. Pig is a soph. Dallas couldn't beat out a Fr. and quit instead of competing his loss. Dallas sure was coming along last year with 9 receptions.

Will you ever stop distorting what others say in a vain attempt to create strawmen you can defeat?

Rivera had more receiving yards in 2010 then all of our TE's combined at this point.

But coaching has nothing at all to do with that, right?

But Dooley could build depth and talent. Oku and Neal combined for 270 yards

I still don't find DD to be an acceptable standard for Jones, do you?

Worley started in Chaneys system and did absolutely nothing, so we will take that out of the equation.

Sorry... but no. There's quite a difference in his circumstances then.

Williams 4.5 sacks and M. Jackson 5. Williams never lived up to his hype? what about coaching? so Dooley had all spring practice and summer and could not build depth? he had Smith, Miller, and Bohannon but couldn't build depth?

Not a defense of DD. Remember... he failed. All of those early failures were possible indicators of the final outcome. I and many others chose to ignore them in hopes that the coaching would get better as they re-built the roster. They re-built the roster to a degree... and the coaching problems were actually magnified.

who are the 4 good back up DE's? 3 good back up DT?

Vereen, Williams, and Miller... I think I said 3 or 4. O'Brien and Saulsberry... Jones, not me, said that Clark was doing a good job.

There are also other young guys with talent like Carr, Lewis, and Brown that apparently have not been developed to a point of making a contribution at a position of need.

Hughes played in 12 games in 2010 had a sack and 17 tackles.

I remember Hughes that season... do you?

They got blown out by Oregon, Alabama, Georgia pretty much like 2013 but this staff has beat a ranked team something Dooley couldn't do in 3 years.

And once again... is being "barely" better than Dooley really what you are looking for in a HC performance?

are you talking about Harris and Propst? I do not think Reviez was less physically gifted.

Except for being smaller and slower... I guess you'd be right.

He WAS a pretty strong guy and had great football IQ.

elite safety helps a lot. what about Gordon? Brewer? Wilks?

Wilks? Kidding, right?

Gordon would help this team. Brewer was moved to LB by Jones... not me. Remember, he was apparently "too slow" to play S for these coaches. Oddly... he was plenty fast enough to play S and perform reasonably well for Wilcox.

Jones and Williams were out over the first half of the season with injuries, so could be not in shape, fell behind, and Foreman plays.

Jones was a starter throughout the spring and practiced most of August. Can't remember specifically about Williams. Both have been back how long now?

Foreman plays. I cannot recall him in competitive PT at CB. Maybe you noticed something I didn't.

Point is... if those guys are faster than Coleman and Coleman's speed is a big problem on the D.... then wouldn't it make sense that a "great" coach would make their development one of the highest priorities?

So ever kid on the roster should be a star? or contribute?

This is like your thing... isn't it? You just naturally set up strawmen as an escape mechanism.

No... not every kid... just someone.... ANYONE.

you are contradicting yourself, this staff cant build talent and develop players but in 2010 the staff gets a pass on building talent and depth? You cannot have it both ways.

No. Not at all. My hope is that this staff will NOT fail like the last staff did. Saying this staff is doing or has done no worse than DD and company... doesn't help your case. I'm hoping for something better than that.

 

[sjt18]

you understand the development issues. I've seen you post too much and realize you understand things.

Absolutely. And I am trying VERY hard to acknowledge those things.

But there are some things that are largely coaching calls, decisions, or tasks.

4 different head coaches and 43 assistants in last 5 years stunts development. that is why we have a soft OL, 3 OL coaches in last 3 years

I could buy that except for one thing. I've kind of been a Crowder fan ever since the guy committed. Tough mountain kid ready to give his body and soul for UT. I take note when he's in the game. Toughness... doesn't seem to be an issue with him. In one recent game, he drove a DL across the field through the whistle causing the guy to take a swing at him.

If you have a soft OL... wouldn't it make at least some sense to put a tough guy or two in? To at least give them a shot?

I personally think Crowder to C and Stone to OG would make the OL instantly better.

That aside, I can buy the "they're soft" in March... or August... or September. In November? Not so much.

I'm not an ogre... at least not in real life.... but I also do not tolerate those who hold my team back for very long unless they're improving at a good pace. I recently let a valuable bi-lingual employee go because overall he was hurting his work group's performance. He's a good kid. I like him. But I can't let the group suffer because I tolerate substandard performance from an individual. Any time you do that... you infect your team with a disease that spreads like crazy.

 

[daj2576]

5-7 would be another big hit at the box office. They are practically giving tickets away to get people to come. The fans can't keep watching them lose home games.

Fans should be pretty happy this year. Home record is 4-1 with the one loss in OT. If the next two games turn out as the odds predict, the home team will be 5-2 at the end of the year with a 6-6 record. I think the home games have been pretty exciting this year. Let us not forget, people were not only worried that we lose to WKU, but some "experts" were predicting they win.

I am guessing your next statement might be about how nobody wants to see APSU, USA, or WKY, so we can only count 2 home wins. Maybe so, but as of right now the home games have been entertaining, exciting, and have shown a team with heart.

Let's not talk about away games, though.

 

[JohnnyBall]

The fact that anyone would think this is a sign of what ******* the fan base has become

 

[BeardedVol]

For me it's not about the record per se, but rather showing consistent improvement from week to week. I know this schedule is brutal, but we can't be getting blown out week in and week out and still consider 5-7 or even 6-6 a solid first season if we didn't even compete in any of our tough games.

 

[Boca Vol]

For me it's not about the record per se, but rather showing consistent improvement from week to week. I know this schedule is brutal, but we can't be getting blown out week in and week out and still consider 5-7 or even 6-6 a solid first season if we didn't even compete in any of our tough games.

Great post! :good!: