At this point, would you consider 5-7 a solid season?

[sjt18]

2010 WR'S vs 2013 WR'S- 2010 not even a contest Moore, Jones, Hunter, Rogers.

Hunter and Rogers were Fr. Moore and Jones were advantages. Jones didn't inherit much experience but one of the guys who had been coming along last year (Dallas) basically got the message that he wasn't part of the big plan... and quit.

2010 vs 2013 TE- 2010 again no contest Stocker and Rivera.

Stocker was good but Rivera wasn't much of a factor. Downs is underutilized. He looked better last year than this year. He DOES have talent.

2010 vs 2013 RB- Poole was a 1000 yard rusher, Neal will probably get there, close call edge to 2013.

Nope. Not close. There was literally NO ONE behind Poole. He went over 1000 and iirc the Vols were still last in the SEC in rushing because everyone else was so bad. Oku even now can't start at Ark St. Neal mostly got time in mop up and ST's.

2010 vs 2013 QB- 2010 wins this one pretty easy Simms and Bray passed for over 3300 yards and 26 TD'S but were helped out by veteran receivers in Moore, Jones, plus Stocker.

Not really... since both guys were new to the roster. The fact that they performed better does relate to having veteran receivers but it also relates to Chaney and his scheme.

2010 vs 2013 DL -Malik Jackson and Montori Hughes both played on 2010 line and are now playing in the NFL plus Walker and Williams,

NO depth behind them whatsoever. To say that Hughes "played" is a bit of a stretch. He was on again off again and at one point had been replaced by Joe Ayres... then a 265 lb Fr walk-on. Jackson was a natural SDE who HAD to play DT because UT just didn't have anyone else. Walker's knees were a mess. I liked Williams but he never lived up to the hype... or the effort it took to get him eligible.

2013 Smith, McCullers, Hood, and Miller looks 10 has a slight edge

Backed up by 3 decent to good DT's and 3 or 4 decent to good DE's. There was truly zero depth on that '10 DL... and again NO true DT's worth a dime.

Remember that Hughes never really did anything at UT and eventually left.

2010 vs 2013 LB'S - 2010 better overall corps

Probably a push talent wise. The '10 group played better but that could just as easily be a function of coaching and scheme as anything else. I can tell you 100% that I'd take Wilcox and Sirmon back in a skinny minute.

Reviez was less physically gifted than several guys who apparently cannot become good enough to be considered "depth" on this team. Was that simply him or is it coaching too?

2010 vs 2013 DB'S - Toss up although Jackson could give 2010 slight edge

Seriously? The starting CB's were A Evans (truly slow) and Teague as a Fr (also truly slow). Waggner (also slow) played one S with JJ at the other who was elite but not exactly the most dependable guy on earth. There was no depth behind them... and not even bodies.

Again, if UT has no depth at this point at CB... why? Foreman doesn't have the athletic ability to contribute? Jones? Williams?

What has prevented a guy like Tino Thomas from being developed? The one thing that everyone said he had was speed.

 

[immyaxl]

hell no ... he has to beat Vandy and Kentucky

Or what?

 

[immyaxl]

No. Because that would more than likely mean we lost to Vanderbilt or Kentucky. That's unacceptable, even in our current state.

Vandy is a solid team now and will be as long as Franklin is there.

 

[Hoghater]

Losing as many games as we have ever lost in a season is in no way solid.

 

[BanditVol]

Again, if UT has no depth at this point at CB... why? Foreman doesn't have the athletic ability to contribute? Jones? Williams?

What has prevented a guy like Tino Thomas from being developed? The one thing that everyone said he had was speed.

And yet, Cam Sutton has been pretty amazing. Who knows the answers to what you pose above.

Recent performance has been hurt literally....Randolph is in a green shirt to protect his shoulder, Moore is nursing some kind of injury and I think McNeil is also dinged up.

Would be nice if one of the guys you mention had stepped up, but they didn't. I have no idea why, but prior to bammer pass D was a bright spot (and....ahem....Randolph missed a lot of the bammer game and played hurt vs Mizzou and Moore missed almost all the bammer game and if he played against Mizzou, he was not 100%.

 

[wcm100690]

Vandy is a solid team now and will be as long as Franklin is there.

Laughable.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Hunter and Rogers were Fr. Moore and Jones were advantages. Jones didn't inherit much experience but one of the guys who had been coming along last year (Dallas) basically got the message that he wasn't part of the big plan... and quit.

are you comparing Dallas to Moore and Jones? North, Smith and Croom are Fr. Pig is a soph. Dallas couldn't beat out a Fr. and quit instead of competing his loss. Dallas sure was coming along last year with 9 receptions.

Stocker was good but Rivera wasn't much of a factor.

Rivera had more receiving yards in 2010 then all of our TE's combined at this point.

Nope. Not close. There was literally NO ONE behind Poole. He went over 1000 and iirc the Vols were still last in the SEC in rushing because everyone else was so bad. Oku even now can't start at Ark St. Neal mostly got time in mop up and ST's.

But Dooley could build depth and talent. Oku and Neal combined for 270 yards

Not really... since both guys were new to the roster. The fact that they performed better does relate to having veteran receivers but it also relates to Chaney and his scheme.

Worley started in Chaneys system and did absolutely nothing, so we will take that out of the equation.

NO depth behind them whatsoever. To say that Hughes "played" is a bit of a stretch. He was on again off again and at one point had been replaced by Joe Ayres... then a 265 lb Fr walk-on. Jackson was a natural SDE who HAD to play DT because UT just didn't have anyone else. Walker's knees were a mess. I liked Williams but he never lived up to the hype... or the effort it took to get him eligible.

Williams 4.5 sacks and M. Jackson 5. Williams never lived up to his hype? what about coaching? so Dooley had all spring practice and summer and could not build depth? he had Smith, Miller, and Bohannon but couldn't build depth?

Backed up by 3 decent to good DT's and 3 or 4 decent to good DE's. There was truly zero depth on that '10 DL... and again NO true DT's worth a dime.

who are the 4 good back up DE's? 3 good back up DT?

Remember that Hughes never really did anything at UT and eventually left.

Hughes played in 12 games in 2010 had a sack and 17 tackles.

Probably a push talent wise. The '10 group played better but that could just as easily be a function of coaching and scheme as anything else. I can tell you 100% that I'd take Wilcox and Sirmon back in a skinny minute.

They got blown out by Oregon, Alabama, Georgia pretty much like 2013 but this staff has beat a ranked team something Dooley couldn't do in 3 years.

Reviez was less physically gifted than several guys who apparently cannot become good enough to be considered "depth" on this team. Was that simply him or is it coaching too?

are you talking about Harris and Propst? I do not think Reviez was less physically gifted.

Seriously? The starting CB's were A Evans (truly slow) and Teague as a Fr (also truly slow). Waggner (also slow) played one S with JJ at the other who was elite but not exactly the most dependable guy on earth. There was no depth behind them... and not even bodies.

elite safety helps a lot. what about Gordon? Brewer? Wilks?

Again, if UT has no depth at this point at CB... why? Foreman doesn't have the athletic ability to contribute? Jones? Williams?

Jones and Williams were out over the first half of the season with injuries, so could be not in shape, fell behind, and Foreman plays.

What has prevented a guy like Tino Thomas from being developed? The one thing that everyone said he had was speed.

So ever kid on the roster should be a star? or contribute? you are contradicting yourself, this staff cant build talent and develop players but in 2010 the staff gets a pass on building talent and depth? You cannot have it both ways.

 

[YankeeVol]

Uh no.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Losing as many games as we have ever lost in a season is in no way solid.

Solid post. How in the hell is a losing record ok? Solid is @ least more wins than losses.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Vandy is a solid team now and will be as long as Franklin is there.

Vandy has been solid before, but they will never be good.

 

[PowerWookie]

5-7 would not be solid. It would also not be surprising.

yep

 

[Burger]

6-6 is vital for our future as a program. We have tons of EE's that need practice for next year.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Not just no, but hell no.

:yes:

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

5-7 Unacceptable
6-6 Acceptable

Bowl win is gravy!

 

[HardKnoxVol]

I can't tell if I'm worried about Vandy or not. They did beat Georgia and almost scored 30 on Texas A&M. They are now a somewhat solid team. I am certain we can beat Kentucky because they just suck something else. Auburn is almost a toss up for me. Considering it's at home, I think we have a good shot

 

[HardKnoxVol]

It's pretty much this: we HAVE to get to a bowl this year

 

[Tenacguy50]

I can't tell if I'm worried about Vandy or not. They did beat Georgia and almost scored 30 on Texas A&M. They are now a somewhat solid team. I am certain we can beat Kentucky because they just suck something else. Auburn is almost a toss up for me. Considering it's at home, I think we have a good shot

This year's A&M defense is almost as bad as last year's TN defense. IMO TN defense this year is a little better than last, especially at home. We'll see.

 

[LWSVOL]

Hunter and Rogers were Fr. Moore and Jones were advantages. Jones didn't inherit much experience but one of the guys who had been coming along last year (Dallas) basically got the message that he wasn't part of the big plan... and quit.

Stocker was good but Rivera wasn't much of a factor. Downs is underutilized. He looked better last year than this year. He DOES have talent.

Nope. Not close. There was literally NO ONE behind Poole. He went over 1000 and iirc the Vols were still last in the SEC in rushing because everyone else was so bad. Oku even now can't start at Ark St. Neal mostly got time in mop up and ST's.

Not really... since both guys were new to the roster. The fact that they performed better does relate to having veteran receivers but it also relates to Chaney and his scheme.

NO depth behind them whatsoever. To say that Hughes "played" is a bit of a stretch. He was on again off again and at one point had been replaced by Joe Ayres... then a 265 lb Fr walk-on. Jackson was a natural SDE who HAD to play DT because UT just didn't have anyone else. Walker's knees were a mess. I liked Williams but he never lived up to the hype... or the effort it took to get him eligible.

Backed up by 3 decent to good DT's and 3 or 4 decent to good DE's. There was truly zero depth on that '10 DL... and again NO true DT's worth a dime.

Remember that Hughes never really did anything at UT and eventually left.

Probably a push talent wise. The '10 group played better but that could just as easily be a function of coaching and scheme as anything else. I can tell you 100% that I'd take Wilcox and Sirmon back in a skinny minute.

Reviez was less physically gifted than several guys who apparently cannot become good enough to be considered "depth" on this team. Was that simply him or is it coaching too?



Seriously? The starting CB's were A Evans (truly slow) and Teague as a Fr (also truly slow). Waggner (also slow) played one S with JJ at the other who was elite but not exactly the most dependable guy on earth. There was no depth behind them... and not even bodies.

Again, if UT has no depth at this point at CB... why? Foreman doesn't have the athletic ability to contribute? Jones? Williams?

What has prevented a guy like Tino Thomas from being developed? The one thing that everyone said he had was speed.

you understand the development issues. I've seen you post too much and realize you understand things.

4 different head coaches and 43 assistants in last 5 years stunts development. that is why we have a soft OL, 3 OL coaches in last 3 years

 

[jgvol1986]

If we can beat South Carolina we damn sure better be able to beat Vandy and Kentucky!

 

[f77f00]

Not solid, not respectable, and it would not shock me in the least.

 

[Sudden Impact]

you understand the development issues. I've seen you post too much and realize you understand things.

4 different head coaches and 43 assistants in last 5 years stunts development. that is why we have a soft OL, 3 OL coaches in last 3 years

I didn't know the exact Number of assistants but knew it was above 35. 43 is unbelievable.

To think that some don't realize this and how it thwarts development. Also, I have seen posts thinking we might ought to change out assistants.

 

[BJWeeks]

Here we are debating 5 and 6 win seasons when not too long ago we were mad that Mike Hamilton was going to give Fulmer a raise or extension if he got 8 wins per year

 

[stcvol]

I voted yes but I misread the question. I thought it said "is Heinz 57 acceptable but only in a pinch."

 

[johnboyhunter]

Simple question: If we finish the season at 5-7, would you consider it a respectable, solid season?

Just curious what folks' standards are...

Sure... same as I consider 'C's on report cards from my kid ok. Employees arriving 20 mins late every day standard. Mowing my front yard and leaving my back yard knee high ok,

seriously?

When you accept mediocrity it becomes the new standard. We should be able to sleep walk through 5-7. If we do not beat KY or Vandy it will be a miserable wait til next year. 6-6 and low level bowl game is only acceptable outcome.

 

[lil'Butch]

Simple question: If we finish the season at 5-7, would you consider it a respectable, solid season?

Just curious what folks' standards are...

NO
5-7 would be a huge set back for the program...we need a bowl game to continue the development of current players and continue the momentum with recruits going into NSD. With all the rules concerning student athletes practice hours etc.. it is vital to get that extra time..one would assume dolander's lack of post season play contributed to the abysmal player development on our current roster. most teams( like we once did) always have young players emerge during postseason play and that carries over to the following year...imagine all those extra reps for our young play makers..so we need to kick some azz and finish strong- GBO