Ath Dept Not Doing Their Job -- Tiny

#51
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You guys must know more than most, but from what I've been hearing and reading for several days now is that Tiny's draft status was very "iffy" not because of his talent or lack thereof, but because during the various NFL teams reviewing, interviewing and EXAMINING him, they found a degenerative knee problem that would limit his abilities to play. No team was likely to invest a draft pick on him with that as a possibility. Give the kid a break. He did not know he had the condition, apparently no one did until the NFL docs started looking under the hood.
 
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piano said:
You guys must know more than most, but from what I've been hearing and reading for several days now is that Tiny's draft status was very "iffy" not because of his talent or lack thereof, but because during the various NFL teams reviewing, interviewing and EXAMINING him, they found a degenerative knee problem that would limit his abilities to play. No team was likely to invest a draft pick on him with that as a possibility. Give the kid a break. He did not know he had the condition, apparently no one did until the NFL docs started looking under the hood.
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I dont see many people bashing Tiny.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Yes, but somebody smarter than a 20 year old should be able to tell them they're not ready and make it stick.

It's a multi-million dollar decision.
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You don't get it. Tiny made his decisions including to go somewhere to prepare for the draft other than UT. Why do people try to blame others instead of themselves for unwise decisions?
 
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Thanks for the laugh.
 
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piano said:
You guys must know more than most, but from what I've been hearing and reading for several days now is that Tiny's draft status was very "iffy" not because of his talent or lack thereof, but because during the various NFL teams reviewing, interviewing and EXAMINING him, they found a degenerative knee problem that would limit his abilities to play. No team was likely to invest a draft pick on him with that as a possibility. Give the kid a break. He did not know he had the condition, apparently no one did until the NFL docs started looking under the hood.
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Links? to NFL saying his knee condition being degenerative?
Makes sense...but maybe staying another year to get knees stronger would have got him drafted....
 
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Let's not forget the role that greedy family members can play with these decisions. I'm not talking about Tiny here but in general: The families of these pro prospects in football and basketball smell money and often give the kids a big nudge to turn pro. Daddy wants a Caddilac, Mommy a house. Agents push kids too.

If coaches think a kid is making a mistake, I think they should sit him down and tell him--and even show him tape if necessary. I think they often do this--but some kids are don't much like school and, even if they might be middle-round fodder, that is good enough for them.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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You blame your parents a lot don't you?
 
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GrowVol said:
Links? to NFL saying his knee condition being degenerative?
Makes sense...but maybe staying another year to get knees stronger would have got him drafted....
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Or he could have destroyed his knee and ruined any hope of NFL. It goes both ways.
 
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armchair said:
Let's not forget the role that greedy family members can play with these decisions. I'm not talking about Tiny here but in general: The families of these pro prospects in football and basketball smell money and often give the kids a big nudge to turn pro. Daddy wants a Caddilac, Mommy a house. Agents push kids too.

If coaches think a kid is making a mistake, I think they should sit him down and tell him--and even show him tape if necessary. I think they often do this--but some kids are don't much like school and, even if they might be middle-round fodder, that is good enough for them.
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Bet CBJ told Tiny exactly what the odds looked like. Tiny probably said...."well whatever...Im going"
 
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Richardson was overrated, really big, and had a catchy nickname. I think that linemen need a little something to stand out in the fans' minds. What made him stand out was his catchy nickname, and his notoriety was set in stone by a lackluster, uninspired performance by Clowney in 2012. When Clowney decided that his team needed him to make a play, he made it around Richardson.
 
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armchair said:
Let's not forget the role that greedy family members can play with these decisions. I'm not talking about Tiny here but in general: The families of these pro prospects in football and basketball smell money and often give the kids a big nudge to turn pro. Daddy wants a Caddilac, Mommy a house. Agents push kids too.

If coaches think a kid is making a mistake, I think they should sit him down and tell him--and even show him tape if necessary. I think they often do this--but some kids are don't much like school and, even if they might be middle-round fodder, that is good enough for them.
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maybe Butch et al encouraged Tiny to go so they could free up a spot on the which fit their system better. Just playing Devil's advocate here.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Absolutely. "Tiny, bring that bum knee back and attend class and play with a raw offense and see what happens". He could have come back and helped stock, OR could have torn knee up more or/and played self out of draft. The guy made his own decision, his life.
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Well seeing as he wasn't IN the draft I'm thinking he wouldn't have HURT his status now would he?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Richardson was overrated, really big, and had a catchy nickname. I think that linemen need a little something to stand out in the fans' minds. What made him stand out was his catchy nickname, and his notoriety was set in stone by a lackluster, uninspired performance by Clowney in 2012. When Clowney decided that his team needed him to make a play, he made it around Richardson.
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Were we watching same 2012 USC game?
 
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Is everyone on here oblivious to the fact that when he declared about 90% of experts were saying he was a 1-2 round pick but after further evaluation on his leg/knee injuries the nfl scouts shyed away from him? Its just unforseen circumstances that kept him from getting drafted not poor decisions or bad play.
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
Well seeing as he wasn't IN the draft I'm thinking he wouldn't have HURT his status now would he?
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Great point, because this info was available in December. He was projected to be drafted when he declared. Lots of really smart people today but Tiny wasn't projected undrafted in Dec. Are you all for real? At time of his decision, it was a no brainer. Playing Monday morning qb is fun though so you experts stay at it
 
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Ertel said:
Is everyone on here oblivious to the fact that when he declared about 90% of experts were saying he was a 1-2 round pick but after further evaluation on his leg/knee injuries the nfl scouts shyed away from him? Its just unforseen circumstances that kept him from getting drafted not poor decisions or bad play.
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This. Everyone on this board was saying he should go, now they are all prophets. Even though he didn't get drafted he can still make a team. Coming back was a risk if his knee really is bad.
 
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basically or o-line believed a lot of their preseason hype and played to not get injured. congrats to them on making it thru last season healthy, but it murdered their draft status.
 
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1972 Grad said:
His "rep" followed his work ethic by a few games.
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I didn't hear much about his work ethic until last summer. He was a media darling in 2012. Tiny got tons of praise after that game nationwide. You know something those experts don't.
 
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lexkyvol said:
basically or o-line believed a lot of their preseason hype and played to not get injured. congrats to them on making it thru last season healthy, but it murdered their draft status.
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James. 1st round. It was on the news.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Yes, but somebody smarter than a 20 year old should be able to tell them they're not ready and make it stick.

It's a multi-million dollar decision.
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And someone who's an agent will tell them "get into the league as soon as you can so you can get your first contract"...who do you think he's going to listen to?
 
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