Ath Dept Not Doing Their Job -- Tiny

#76
#76
OrangeInKy said:
I didn't hear much about his work ethic until last summer. He was a media darling in 2012. Tiny got tons of praise after that game nationwide. You know something those experts don't.
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It would seem that way. I have known Spurrier since high school.
 
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#77
1972 Grad said:
It would seem that way. I have known Spurrier since high school.
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Cool.Help me out. Is that supposed to prove your point? It doesn't. SOS makes himself look great telling his friends that his star player dogged it for 2 years and he put up with it. Not sure why he would be so open about that. Doesn't make him look too good.
 
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lexkyvol said:
basically or o-line believed a lot of their preseason hype and played to not get injured. congrats to them on making it thru last season healthy, but it murdered their draft status.
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Actually ironically tiny played injured much of last year and thats what hurt his status....
 
#79
#79
WiseOlVol said:
Yes, but somebody smarter than a 20 year old should be able to tell them they're not ready and make it stick.

It's a multi-million dollar decision.
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You can tell them all you want but they are going to do what they want. Nobody makes them leave early. They have only themselves to blame.
 
#81
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OrangeInKy said:
Cool.Help me out. Is that supposed to prove your point? It doesn't. SOS makes himself look great telling his friends that his star player dogged it for 2 years and he put up with it. Not sure why he would be so open about that. Doesn't make him look too good.
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I'll tell him that you respect his career.
 
#82
#82
The offensive line had a better year, but still a tough year all the same. Nobody's fault but Tiny's.
 
#83
#83
1972 Grad said:
I'll tell him that you respect his career.
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I edited that part out. Haha. Felt dirty. I would respect him more if he got more out of his star player who by his own admission cashed it in during a big season. Something tells me he won't lose sleep over my opinion though. Haha.
 
#85
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WiseOlVol said:
It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Gonna go on my soapbox and say this is what's wrong with things these days.

People making stupid decisions for themselves is no one's problem but those people.

Tiny understood the consequences of his actions, and I'm sure they told him to stay. They can't force him to stay, and they shouldn't hold his hand when he says he wants to leave. Tiny is an adult that can make his own decisions.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I edited that part out. Haha. Felt dirty. I would respect him more if he got more out of his star player who by his own admission cashed it in during a big season. Something tells me he won't lose sleep over my opinion though. Haha.
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The problem is that when a player has the skills that Clowney has, you have to play him for those times when he decides to get serious. Putting him on the bench weakens the team, because Clowney at 85% is still better than his backup. Spurrier is not stupid.

It is the same reason that Dooley played Bray, even though he probably would have loved to bench him.
 
#89
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Looks like Munoz all over again. Many a great players bodies have given out, unfortunately Tiny mailed it in on his degree from what I've heard. Hope that is false.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The problem is that when a player has the skills that Clowney has, you have to play him for those times when he decides to get serious. Putting him on the bench weakens the team, because Clowney at 85% is still better than his backup. Spurrier is not stupid.

It is the same reason that Dooley played Bray, even though he probably would have loved to bench him.
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Yeah, and Bray and Rogers were toxic. If Clowney were on that level he would be worth benching. SOS also had the career to do it whereas Dooley was desperate and needed his problem players. I dont think he was on that level. 2012 was a great year. I can believe he dogged 2013 but not 2012. Tiny played well against him. No idea why you can't admit that one thing.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Yeah, and Bray and Rogers were toxic. If Clowney were on that level he would be worth benching. SOS also had the career to do it whereas Dooley was desperate and needed his problem players. I dont think he was on that level. 2012 was a great year. I can believe he dogged 2013 but not 2012. Tiny played well against him. No idea why you can't admit that one thing.
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Okay, he played well against him, until the last play, when South Carolina needed something spectacular.
 
#93
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NFL......Not For Long maybe he knew he didn't have long with the knee problems, make it while you can. Good luck Tiny
 
#95
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WiseOlVol said:
The University's job is to prepare students for their professional careers. That includes aspiring professional athletes. They are in entertainment no less so than, say, drama and music majors.

It appears Tiny won't be drafted because, principally, he was not ready for the combine and other pre-draft workouts.

For all potential draftees, the The Ath Dept should organize simulated events whereby the kids can assess whether they'll stack up and in which areas they are lacking.

For underclassmen, the likely results of the combine and pre-draft events should be known before the kid pulls the trigger and declares for the draft. We're talking about millions of dollars here.

Both Bray and Tiny already had enough exposure to be almost assured of a 1st or 2nd round selection if they stay for the Sr. years. That's a ton of guaranteed money.

It's malpractice to allow these kids to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Don't blame UT. Blame the agents who lie to these kids and the kids themselves for making bad decisions.
 
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#96
OrangeInKy said:
Agreed. Noone should take pleasure in this. I thought he made the right call. I never saw this coming. He still has the tools to make it if he can get hiis knees in order
I hope he does. All this second guessing and fingerpointing is weak.
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Your first sentence is absolutely spot on.

I actually don't agree with the idea that leaving early is usually the right call. It is in some circumstances, but not most.

The athlete could stay another year and play, potentially get hurt, but earn a degree. That degree, some statistics show, will give him an earning potential of about one million dollars more over his working career than someone without it. Consider that a valuable fall back plan. It might mean he never goes pro, but he still has a way to make a living, and doors will be opened because of his degree, and his college football playing days.

Conversely, if he goes pro early, he does stand to make some money up front (probably more than many people will make over decades) but many people who come into money quickly (athletes, lottery winners) end up broke as quickly as they became wealthy. Does this option actually lesson his chances of facing a career ending injury? What is the average professional football player's career? 3 years? How many pro players leave the league wealthy enough to survive on the money that should last them a lifetime? Not many.

In other words, it is far more likely that those who leave early will end up out of the NFL in about 3 years with no degree, and potentially a pile of cash that they aren't adept at handling. Truth be told, if you told me those were my options, I would take the gamble of a ton of money in the short term, over the degree and long term stability (I can always go back and get a degree if it doesn't work out, right?). The problem is that the story rarely ends like that, and I think people should be counseling these young men to be more cautious with their future.

tl;dr
Don't gamble on the long shot. Put yourself in a position to capitalize off of both success or failure.
 
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#97
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GoVols15 said:
With all due respect, this is really a dumb statement! How do you know what the AD said to Tiny? The bottom line is Tiny made the best decision that he thought was best for him, period. I'm sure Tiny talked to a lot of people and carefully weighed his options. To blame the AD is just plain ignorant.
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What did u think about the statement(s) blaming Dooley?? Just wondering that's all...
 
#98
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daj2576 said:
Your first sentence is absolutely spot on.

I actually don't agree with the idea that leaving early is usually the right call. It is in some circumstances, but not most.

The athlete could stay another year and play, potentially get hurt, but earn a degree. That degree, some statistics show, will give him an earning potential of about one million dollars more over his working career than someone without it. Consider that a valuable fall back plan. It might mean he never goes pro, but he still has a way to make a living, and doors will be opened because of his degree, and his college football playing days.

Conversely, if he goes pro early, he does stand to make some money up front (probably more than many people will make over decades) but many people who come into money quickly (athletes, lottery winners) end up broke as quickly as they became wealthy. Does this option actually lesson his chances of facing a career ending injury? What is the average professional football player's career? 3 years? How many pro players leave the league wealthy enough to survive on the money that should last them a lifetime? Not many.

In other words, it is far more likely that those who leave early will end up out of the NFL in about 3 years with no degree, and potentially a pile of cash that they aren't adept at handling. Truth be told, if you told me those were my options, I would take the gamble of a ton of money in the short term, over the degree and long term stability (I can always go back and get a degree if it doesn't work out, right?). The problem is that the story rarely ends like that, and I think people should be counseling these young men to be more cautious with their future.

tl;dr
Don't gamble on the long shot. Put yourself in a position to capitalize off of both success or failure.
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Solid post.
 
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