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how can anybody think muschamp is 10th after winning 11 games with the toughest schedule in the country and what he had to work with on offense last yr?
 
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99gator said:
the whole "talent" thing is a bogus argument imo. the reason i say that is that georgia is in a league where several other schools are loaded. people use that argument as if georgia has a distinct talent advantage over their competition. they don't.
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What? The state of Georgia produces more NFL players than any state in the south other than Florida, and UGA gets to share Georgia with Georgia Tech rather than FSU and Miami. The idea that Richt doesn't enjoy a significant built-in talent advantage over almost all of his competition, even in the SEC, is silly.

I'm not saying he's a _bad_ coach; I'm not even saying he's not pretty good. I'm just saying that as a Tennessee fan I'm happy to take my chances with him there as long as possible rather than whoever Georgia would be able to lure in a coaching search.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
What? The state of Georgia produces more NFL players than any state in the south other than Florida, and UGA gets to share Georgia with Georgia Tech rather than FSU and Miami. The idea that Richt doesn't enjoy a significant built-in talent advantage over almost all of his competition, even in the SEC, is silly.

I'm not saying he's a _bad_ coach; I'm not even saying he's not pretty good. I'm just saying that as a Tennessee fan I'm happy to take my chances with him there as long as possible rather than whoever Georgia would be able to lure in a coaching search.
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What was Georgia's record vs. Tennessee before Richt?
 
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99gator said:
What was Georgia's record vs. Tennessee before Richt?
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Well let's see. We almost never played Georgia until the switch to divisions, which means we started playing them every year at exactly the same time that the best run in modern Tennessee football started. We had a nice run against Georgia for a few years then. Thing is, though, is that Fulmer didn't start just losing to Georgia after they hired Mark Richt; he started losing to a lot of other teams too. It's hard to say that the Richt hire turned the tide against Tennessee when Fulmer started losing to Alabama again too, and to mediocre ACC teams in bowl games, and to Notre Dame, and to South Carolina, etc etc. The cratering of the Fulmer era is what flipped that series.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Well let's see. We almost never played Georgia until the switch to divisions, which means we started playing them every year at exactly the same time that the best run in modern Tennessee football started. We had a nice run against Georgia for a few years then. Thing is, though, is that Fulmer didn't start just losing to Georgia after they hired Mark Richt; he started losing to a lot of other teams too. It's hard to say that the Richt hire turned the tide against Tennessee when Fulmer started losing to Alabama again too, and to mediocre ACC teams in bowl games, and to Notre Dame, and to South Carolina, etc etc. The cratering of the Fulmer era is what flipped that series.
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You're nuts. Richt had plenty to do with it.
 
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All I know is that I live in Atlanta; I have plenty of friends who are UGA fans; and every one of them I know is underwhelmed by the guy. For a guy whom people in here are calling a great coach, his own fans sure seem to think he's a bozo.

The one thing that Richt has done a really nice job with is keeping more of that Georgia talent at home. It will be interesting to see if the departure of Rodney Garner wounds him in that department anywhere near as badly as it hurt Fulmer.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
All I know is that I live in Atlanta; I have plenty of friends who are UGA fans; and every one of them I know is underwhelmed by the guy. For a guy whom people in here are calling a great coach, his own fans sure seem to think he's a bozo.

The one thing that Richt has done a really nice job with is keeping more of that Georgia talent at home. It will be interesting to see if the departure of Rodney Garner wounds him in that department anywhere near as badly as it hurt Fulmer.
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Well, your UGA fans are crazy.

In the SEC, the bottom line is you have to win on a consistent basis. If you don't you lose your job, it's that simple. CMR still has his job so it's not hard to figure it out.

Sure we would like NC but we all know you need some luck with the BCS. UGA has had 3 seasons where we would be in great shape to compete for a NC at the end of the seasons but we just have not caught any breaks.
 
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99gator said:
some people go way, way over the top on mark richt.

he averages 10 wins a year.

the biggest knock on him is he hasn't put georgia over the top to win a national championship during an era where the league he coaches in has won 7 national titles in a row.

i think if tennessee won two sec titles, played for 3 others, went to 3 bcs bowls and averaged 10 wins a season over the next 12 years, most of you would take that in a heart beat.
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I don't understand why so many of our fans want Richt to stay around forever. He owns us in recruiting, on the field production and head to head competition, you'd think folks would want him out of our hair. I'd gladly take Richt IF he could duplicate everything he's done at UGA here. Plenty of great coaches never win a NC.

In basketball, many of our fans clamor for bringing Bruce back, yet he never won an SECTC, even when the SEC was dismal in '08. And I guarantee there would be no cries for his firing had he stayed and simply maintained the level of success we experienced during his tenure.
 
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It is truly ironic how familiarity breeds such contempt. If you posted these resumes sight unseen, you would have to conclude that they have enjoyed remarkably similar levels of success:

152-52 overall. 98-34 SEC. Nine ten-win seasons. One national championship, Two SEC championships, Six SEC Eastern Division championships. 8-7 Bowl record. Six Top Ten finishes; Three Top Five finishes.

118-40 overall (.747). 67-29 SEC. Eight ten-win seasons. Two SEC championships, Six SEC Eastern Division championships. 8-4 Bowl record. Six Top Ten finishes; Three Top Five finishes.

I fully understand that Fulmer's career was a tale of two halves, one marked by a steady decline during its latter portion. Both Rodney Garner and David Cutcliffe left, respectively, before and after the 1998 season, which detrimentally impacted the long-term strength of Tennessee's program. Conversely, Richt’s tenure has been marked by far less of a historical dichotomy, but the net results are virtually identical.

Based on the responses from VolNation, one might conclude that Fulmer deserves none of the credit for his program’s success, but only scorn for its decline. The Georgia faithful does not seem to be as fractured but, perhaps, only because they have not gone through as precipitous a decline. Ultimately, these data seem to underscore an observation made by Spurrier, I believe, that ten years is about as long a tenure as one can expect, even from successful coaches before support among the fan base, boosters and administration becomes fragmented.
 
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V-Rex

I think you nailed it. I think people look at the guy who is the best or the top 5 guys and if you aren't in that club you are no good.

Brian Kelly came up in another thread and a few people made the argument that he's a bum as a head coach.

There are a couple of seasons Georgia fans would like to have back and the record vs. Florida is irritating, but people act like Richt has done nothing.

Richt made Georgia football a contender for the first time since #34 was on the sideline
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I don't understand why so many of our fans want Richt to stay around forever. He owns us in recruiting, on the field production and head to head competition, you'd think folks would want him out of our hair. I'd gladly take Richt IF he could duplicate everything he's done at UGA here. Plenty of great coaches never win a NC.
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Perhaps I am trying to make too fine a point here. What I'm arguing does not fit precisely into the COACH SUCKS/IS GREAT dichotomy into which most message board arguments inevitably fall.

What I'm arguing is that:

1. Georgia enjoys a significant potential built-in talent advantage over everybody else in the conference except for Florida.

2. Mark Richt has done a better job than his predecessors of keeping that talent home. He deserves a lot of credit for this; Georgia almost always has top five talent now.

3. However, he has not turned that perennial top five talent into a lot of success, despite traditional powers Florida and Tennessee being up and down lately. (Or, in UT's case, just down.). He has not won the SEC in almost a decade. He's let Steve Spurrier catch almost all the way up to him (winning the last three in a row head to head, even) in spite of coaching at a perennial doormat. He's been inexplicably obliterated in Knoxville twice in recent years (2007, 2009) despite having far better talent. He had a losing record a couple years ago. There's little doubt that he has generally underachieved considering the fantastic talent he has every year.

4. Georgia is a very attractive job. Their in-state recruiting base and recent history of success mean it probably would not be hard for them to attract a top coach if they wanted to make a change.

5. Therefore, as a Tennessee fan, I look at A) all that in-state talent, B) UGA's frequent inability to get the most out of their top-shelf players, and C) the potential desirability of the job, and I'm happy to stick with the status quo as long as possible.

I'm not saying that Richt isn't a good coach; I'm not saying I wouldn't kill for the sort of "underachieving" that he's done at UT. All I'm doing is making a specific argument about what he's done at Georgia vs what I think that some hotshot young coach might do. I'm saying that there's too much talent in Georgia to just assume that they'd go back to Ray Goff levels without Richt. I do not want to see them hire the next Kevin Sumlin to coach all those players up.
 
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A question for Georgia fans, particularly those of you who may be old enough to make a first-hand comparison: How would you compare the relative achievements of Mark Richt and Vince Dooley? And, for the purposes of speculating what Dooley's legacy would have been under a slightly altered scenario, would your opinion change significantly if Herschel Walker had chosen not to attend the University of Georgia?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
No, the biggest knock on Mark Richt is that he hasn't been able to turn an incredible amount of talent into any kind of sustained, elite-level success. He's got top five talent every year but his teams are rarely consistently even close to that level. Top-ranked recruiting classes on one end, high NFL draft picks on the other, and a whole lot of meh in between.

I'm around Georgia fans every day. Most of the ones I know are not fans of Mark Richt.

As a Tennessee fan, I look at it this way. Georgia is always going to have a lot of talent. They are almost always going to have better players than most of the teams they play, including Tennessee. I'm happy to see them keep a coach with a history of doing less with more.
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Wow! You actually publically posted that?!?! :crazy:
 
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Vercingetorix said:
All I know is that I live in Atlanta; I have plenty of friends who are UGA fans; and every one of them I know is underwhelmed by the guy. For a guy whom people in here are calling a great coach, his own fans sure seem to think he's a bozo.
The one thing that Richt has done a really nice job with is keeping more of that Georgia talent at home. It will be interesting to see if the departure of Rodney Garner wounds him in that department anywhere near as badly as it hurt Fulmer.
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This is the biggest "exaggeration" that I've ever seen posted anywhere. And the poster :crazy: knows it. It's one thing to be a homer. It's another to be an "exaggerator of immense proportions". I, too, live in Atlanta. And I'm very close to the program. There are some fans who, on occasion, second guess Richt's decisions just as Bama fans do Saban's. But to throw a blanket over the Dawg Nation the way you do is more than laughable. How many SEC programs would trade places with UGA during Richt's tenure? I'd say all of them except for Bama. Respond with more "exaggerations" and we'll start throwing in unsubjective stats and facts.........shall we? BTW, I know many Vol fans and they all say that Erin Andrews is ugly!
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
This is the biggest "exaggeration" that I've ever seen posted anywhere. And the poster :crazy: knows it. It's one thing to be a homer. It's another to be an "exaggerator of immense proportions". I, too, live in Atlanta. And I'm very close to the program. There are some fans who, on occasion, second guess Richt's decisions just as Bama fans do Saban's. But to throw a blanket over the Dawg Nation the way you do is more than laughable. How many SEC programs would trade places with UGA during Richt's tenure? I'd say all of them except for Bama. Respond with more "exaggerations" and we'll start throwing in unsubjective stats and facts.........shall we? BTW, I know many Vol fans and they all say that Erin Andrews is ugly!
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Georgia is 5th nationally in wins since Richt has been coach.

Having said that, I don't think lsu or Florida would trade places with Georgia since 2001
 
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99gator said:
Georgia is 5th nationally in wins since Richt has been coach.

Having said that, I don't think lsu or Florida would trade places with Georgia since 2001
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Bama's had three losing seasons in that timeframe, and there is no way I'd trade with UGA.
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