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Co. Aytch said:
Damn, no Heyward??

O'brien just tweeted it works out well when they bring in Hamels...When do they plan on doing that?
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Who cares? It's one freakin at bat. Jason Heyward can face one at bat against Cole Hamels. You know Jason actually has talent.

BTW: I'm not trying to be snarky with you, I'm just really upset right now.
 
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For whatever reason, Fredi doesn't think much of Heyward. He wasn't here to see Heyward's rookie season last year. Fredi likes aggressiveness, so he doubtless doesn't think much of a hitter whose approach is built around patience and taking bad pitches. He said in an interview earlier this year -- said it proudly, actually -- that he didn't really know what an OBP is and doesn't know what his players' OBPs are, so there's not really any chance that he knows Heyward's been getting on base a lot lately, nor that he's been one of the team's best hitters doing this disastrous stretch. He's just going by his gut, as always, and his gut just doesn't trust Heyward.

Frank Wren needs to have sit down with Gonzalez after the season and get on the same page about Heyward. He's still the Braves' most valuable asset. Gonzalez either needs to be told to use him or Heyward needs to be traded while his value is still high.
 
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I should emphasize that I haven't yet seen anything definitive about Heyward not being in the lineup tonight. Just sarcastic stuff online about Gonzalez. Maybe we're jumping the gun.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
For whatever reason, Fredi doesn't think much of Heyward. He wasn't here to see Heyward's rookie season last year. Fredi likes aggressiveness, so he doubtless doesn't think much of a hitter whose approach is built around patience and taking bad pitches. He said in an interview earlier this year -- said it proudly, actually -- that he didn't really know what an OBP is and doesn't know what his players' OBPs are, so there's not really any chance that he knows Heyward's been getting on base a lot lately, nor that he's been one of the team's best hitters doing this disastrous stretch. He's just going by his gut, as always, and his gut just doesn't trust Heyward.

Frank Wren needs to have sit down with Gonzalez after the season and get on the same page about Heyward. He's still the Braves' most valuable asset. Gonzalez either needs to be told to use him or Heyward needs to be traded while his value is still high.
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Look, I understand that managers don't use sabermetrics, and I get that. But OBP isn't a sabermetric stat. AT ALL.

Even the 69 year old Bobby Cox realized less than two months in the season "Well, Jason can get on base well, let's put him in the #2 spot." And yet Fredi doesn't give a ****.

He deserves to be fired. It's that simple.
 
#6,006
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Jason Heyward vs. Cole Hamels

3-13, with a double and walk, and 3 K's.

Yeah, that's horrific.
 
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I like Heyward's potential as much as the next guy, but we're way past letting him play through his slump. Yes, his OBP has gotten a little better, but I don't think he's hit a ball hard in about a week.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I should emphasize that I haven't yet seen anything definitive about Heyward not being in the lineup tonight. Just sarcastic stuff online about Gonzalez. Maybe we're jumping the gun.
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Here's a question I would like to see some opinions on.

What is everyones take on CFG's first year?
I personally don't like him, or how this team has played since the all-star break. If you don't like him, who would you want as a replacement? I would have wanted Ozzie, but the underachieving minnows scooped him up, so he can dog cuss they minnow fans (all 7 of them) for not filling up the new stadium.

GO BRAVES.... actually win a game, just 1 GDit.
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It's amazing how smart or dumb baseball managers are depending on their pitching staff's health and ERA.
 
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GAVol said:
I like Heyward's potential as much as the next guy, but we're way past letting him play through his slump. I don't think he's hit a ball hard in about 2 weeks.
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I can't comment on how he has hit lately, because I quit watching the games a few weeks ago because I was tired of watching nightly losses. But it's clear they need to trade him, since he is obviously not in the Braves/ freddies future plans.
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Escape Goat said:
I can't comment on how he has hit lately, because I quit watching the games a few weeks ago because I was tired of watching nightly losses. But it's clear they need to trade him, since he is obviously not in the Braves/ freddies future plans.
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Why would he not be in their future plans? They'll send him to play winter ball and get him worked out.
 
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GAVol said:
It's amazing how smart or dumb baseball managers are depending on their pitching staff's health and ERA.
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I simply don't like him because of his many, many simpleton like blunders. I know this team is hurting, especially pitching, & I don't hold that against him at all.
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Escape Goat said:
Because they rarely play him?
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He's hitting about .220 and isn't driving the ball at all. He hasn't really given them much of a choice. Just a young guy struggling with his approach and not being able to adjust to his scouting report.
 
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McCann looked focused awhile ago getting interviewed by the very lovely MLB reporter Sam Ryan. He looks ready to go.
 
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GAVol said:
I like Heyward's potential as much as the next guy, but we're way past letting him play through his slump. I don't think he's hit a ball hard in about a week.
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Where'd' these three extra-base hits in his last 28 at-bats come from then? Last two weeks he's been hitting .286 with a .375 OBP and an .839 OPS. Even if you stretch it to the last month then his OPS is still .731, which is higher than McCann's and Freeman's. Heyward has turned it around significantly in the last month, especially down the stretch while the Braves have been choking dogs, and yet he still can't get in the game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Where'd' these three extra-base hits in his last 28 at-bats come from then? Last two weeks he's been hitting .286 with a .375 OBP and an .839 OPS. Even if you stretch it to the last month then his OPS is still .731, which is higher than McCann's and Freeman's. Heyward has turned it around significantly in the last month, especially down the stretch while the Braves have been choking dogs, and yet he still can't get in the game.
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Whatever the numbers are . . . he still looks positively lost and for some reason just keeps beating balls into the ground and rolling over pitches on the outer half.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Here's a question I would like to see some opinions on.

What is everyones take on CFG's first year?
I personally don't like him, or how this team has played since the all-star break. If you don't like him, who would you want as a replacement? I would have wanted Ozzie, but the underachieving minnows scooped him up, so he can dog cuss they minnow fans (all 7 of them) for not filling up the new stadium.

GO BRAVES.... actually win a game, just 1 GDit.
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I generally believe that great managers are worth maybe two or three extra games a year, on average, and awful managers cost you that much as well. It doesn't matter that much over the long haul. It matters more in the playoffs, but even then it's not as big a factor.

That said, yeah, I think Gonzalez is a crappy manager. My biggest problem with him is that he seems to like to make moves just for the sake of making them. You can see it in the way he manages the lineup, moving guys in and out, moving them up or down in the order -- it's almost looked random at times. You could see it in his brief pointless flirtation with hitting the pitcher 8th. You can see it in his in-game moves, the way he wastes players by needlessly pinch-running or by not using the guy to pinch hit that he then wants to play in the field. He's an extremely active manager, but he doesn't have any overall strategy for any of it. He just goes with whatever hunch he has at the moment. I'd rather have a manager with a bad plan than no plan at all.
 
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GAVol said:
Whatever the numbers are . . . he still looks positively lost and for some reason just keeps beating balls into the ground and rolling over pitches on the outer half.
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So? Matt Diaz had an OPS of .627 with the Pirates and it got even worse with the Braves, to the tune of .607. I don't care what Heyward looks like, he's still getting better results. A righty is starting for Philly tonight. It's stupid to play Diaz instead.
 
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