Atlanta Braves II

[Rockytopman]

I agree, but most don't. Say he was a clubhouse cancer. I go to work to make a living, not friends. Anyone else?

 

[005]

I just don't think Cox liked him that much.

 

[GAVol]

I just don't think anybody liked him that much.

fyp

 

[TBrown]

If we had Yunie last year we win take the wild card and St Louis doesn't win the World Series.

Agree 500% but I'm not backing you in any arguments. I've said my Yunel piece 100 times in this thread.

 

[005]

I like him. But I feel ya.

 

[TBrown]

I just don't think Cox liked him that much.

Considering Bobby was more than on his way out, I don't think the organization should have given a ____ what he liked or wanted. We're still trying to replace Yunel.

 

[TBrown]

I agree, but most don't. Say he was a clubhouse cancer. I go to work to make a living, not friends. Anyone else?

Haha truuuue

 

[GAVol]

Has Escobar really torn it up since leaving Atlanta? I honestly don't know.

 

[Rockytopman]

He did fine in Atl...

 

[005]

He was a +4 win player last season, 7th best among shortstops in baseball.

But he's 29, not crazy young. Good shortstop, though

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Has Escobar really torn it up since leaving Atlanta? I honestly don't know.

Would have lead the team in BA, 2nd in hits, 2nd in runs, and 1st in OBP. So needless to say he would have been a huge upgrade.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

I agree, but most don't. Say he was a clubhouse cancer. I go to work to make a living, not friends. Anyone else?

Very true. He was just extremely dumb.. like pointing and calling out the pressbox after an error in the middle of the game. He just lacked any sort of sense. Above average SS do not come along very often and we let two slip through our fingers. Andrus and Escobar. SMH.

 

[TBrown]

Ironically we traded Elvis because we had Yunel. That's how talented he is.

 

[005]

He and Elvis finished with 4.3 and 4.5 WAR a season ago

 

[zjcvols]

If we had Yunie last year we win take the wild card and St Louis doesn't win the World Series.

If we had Yunie in 2010 we lose the wild card and don't make the playoffs.

Point?

 

[zjcvols]

Ironically we traded Elvis because we had Yunel. That's how talented he is.

That was dumber than trading Yunel in the first place.

 

[zjcvols]

Again, Bobby Cox, the same man who managed Andruw Jones for eleven years, decide he couldn't stand Yunel Escobar anymore.

I'll side with him.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

If we had Yunie in 2010 we lose the wild card and don't make the playoffs.

Point?

Totally disagree. We took the wild card that year despite Gonzo batting .240 and his absymal .291 OBP, Yunie rounded 2010 out nice hitting .275 w/ a .340 OBP

Again, Bobby Cox, the same man who managed Andruw Jones for eleven years, decide he couldn't stand Yunel Escobar anymore.

I'll side with him.

Easy to do when your belting 30, 40, and 50 dings a year. Yunie went thru a prolonged slump (which every MLBer goes thru BTW) and it opened the opportunity for Bobby to give him the boot. In hindsight, if Pastornicky turns out to be a good everyday SS, it may be worth it.. but I really do not see that happening.

 

[005]

Pastornicky won't be as good as Elvis or Yunel, in my opinion.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

I don't think so either, he won't be in the Braves organization much longer anyway. The future is Simmons.

 

[005]

I agree that he is. Although Simmons is older than Pastornicky

 

[TBrown]

I agree with all of this with a slightly harsher opinion on Pastornicky. The only good thing that came out of that trade was ensuring JoJo Reyes never takes the ball as a Brave.

Totally disagree. We took the wild card that year despite Gonzo batting .240 and his absymal .291 OBP, Yunie rounded 2010 out nice hitting .275 w/ a .340 OBP



Easy to do when your belting 30, 40, and 50 dings a year. Yunie went thru a prolonged slump (which every MLBer goes thru BTW) and it opened the opportunity for Bobby to give him the boot. In hindsight, if Pastornicky turns out to be a good everyday SS, it may be worth it.. but I really do not see that happening.

 

[TBrown]

I agree that he is. Although Simmons is older than Pastornicky

By 3 months I think I heard? It's less than a year.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Our only hope from that trade is perhaps getting unexpected value in return for Pastornicky in a package deal or something, hey look on the bright side we got Tim Collins from the Jays in the same deal and shipped him off to KC and got a cup of coffee with the Kyle Farnsworth and Ricky Ankiel :/

One bad trade leads to another bad trade..SMH.

 

[Scotty's Flat Top]

By 3 months I think I heard? It's less than a year.

Both 22, Simmons will be 23 in Sept I believe