Atlanta Braves Thread (I HURT MYSELF TODAY TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL)

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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Thanks, so at worst (for us) you traded a perennial regular season all star 30-40 goal per year player for Martin Erat, who can't even scratch an NHL lineup.

At best for us, we traded Martin Erat for the best player in franchise history and a future Hall of Famer.
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I certainly am not defending the trade! It's bad enough to trade your second-best prospect to rent a veteran retread for half a season as it is, but when that veteran can't even get on the ice because the coach doesn't want him it becomes incomprehensible. Erat didn't even play! That's gotta be right up there with the most grotesquely most inept asset management ever made by any team in any sport.

But from a hockey standpoint, it doesn't really bother me anymore (1). The Caps are obviously in a pretty good spot without him and they certainly couldn't afford Forsberg's salary now anyway. Lack of one extra Euroscorer isn't the reason they lost to the Pens last year and it probably won't be why they bow out again this year.


(1) (much)
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Except no. His first ever Cup postseason he put up 4 goals and 2 helpers in 6 games. He had a rough postseason last year but at best its a wash.

Either way, there is no way in hell anyone can argue for that trade in any manner on the Capitals side.
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"Soft" is a mean word and I probably shouldn't have used it. I don't think the Caps thought he was a sissy or mentally weak or anything. I think they were concerned about whether he'd be physical enough to thrive in a playoff series, where every single shift he's matched up against the other team's best defensive forwards and top D pairing. Would he be strong enough to create space for himself under all that pounding? Could he throw enough hits and do enough backchecking when the goals aren't there to help the team in other ways? Especially in the East, where the playoffs are more of a fistfight? The Caps have been burned before by a series of European snipers who lit the lamp in the regular season and then turned into wallflowers in the playoffs, so from what I read at the time they'd become leery of Forsberg from an institutional-memory perspective.

So it doesn't bother me that the brain trust made him available for trade. What the idiot former GM traded him for was, of course, execrable.
 
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Caps are playing in Nashville tonight with a bunch of guys out of the lineup, so I predict four goals for Forsberg. I will deserve any crap you guys give me for it.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Expansion sucks. Wondering who we are going to lose to Vegas? I know Saros is/will be protected, I really hope Jarnkrok will be too
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I can't remember the details but apparently they want to really kickstart Vegas this time, so they've just about guaranteed that everybody's going to have to lose somebody painful. Sucks.
 
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LotteryPick said:
How does that work? I'm not familiar with the process.
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Every team gets to protect a certain number of players -- X number of forwards, Y number of defensemen, Z number of goalies. There is usually some choice in the matter -- ie, if you can pick a larger number of forwards and fewer defensemen, or something. There are also usually rules about what kinds of contracts must or can't be protected. And then the expansion team gets to go through and fill out a roster by taking one unprotected player per team.

In the past NHL expansion has allowed teams to protect enough good players that it's taken all the expansion teams forever to get going, because all they've been able to start out with are bad players and bad contracts. This time they apparently want Vegas to be a viable team as quickly as possible, so I think I read that just about every team is going to have to expose at least one top-six forward or top-four defenseman. And I don't think you can protect two goalies. It's gonna hurt.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Every team gets to protect a certain number of players -- X number of forwards, Y number of defensemen, Z number of goalies. There is usually some choice in the matter -- ie, if you can pick a larger number of forwards and fewer defensemen, or something. There are also usually rules about what kinds of contracts must or can't be protected. And then the expansion team gets to go through and fill out a roster by taking one unprotected player per team.

In the past NHL expansion has allowed teams to protect enough good players that it's taken all the expansion teams forever to get going, because all they've been able to start out with are bad players and bad contracts. This time they apparently want Vegas to be a viable team as quickly as possible, so I think I read that just about every team is going to have to expose at least one top-six forward or top-four defenseman. And I don't think you can protect two goalies. It's gonna hurt.
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Thanks for the explanation. Preds losing Jarnkrok would hurt a good bit.
 
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