Auburn being Auburn... (Stealing signals)

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General Jack said:
Because this is the second allegation in 9 months. It doesn't sound as simple as watching the damn sideline cards.

Given Auburn's historical disregard for following the rules it suggests a more premeditated and systemic approach to gaining a competitive advantage.
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Which you can sum that all up with: I think they're guilty of this, yet there's been zero proof given, all because you think Auburn is a bunch of scumbags.
 
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General Jack said:
Enlighten me.
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One is tangible property the other is a "code" that's shown to the world for all to see. Is seeing a weakness in an opponents scheme and play calling against that unsportsmanlike? A coaching staffs job is to learn every tendency of an opponent possible. If that means I can figure out your play calls then so be it. Want to win? Call a better game. Disguise signs better. Watch more film.
 
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if you aren't trying to figure out opponents signals and play calls for an advantage in some sort of fashion, you are not doing your homework.
 
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If your play signals are easily deciphered by student athletes at Auburn, perhaps it's time to change your play signals.
 
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Snyder's a great coach and does more with less than any coach in CFB but he's also a whiner. He felt KSU should've been in the BCS title game in 98 despite their loss to aTm. They followed it up with a Holiday Bowl loss. Shut up and play ball don't go to the media with propaganda after you lose.
 
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my highschool baseball coach put a Korean math whiz kid genius as manager on our team and he'd figure out the other teams signals coming from the 3rd base coach in no time. Freaking hilarious. Same kid was in my 1st grade class when we saw our first rubiks cube and solved the entire thing @ 5 minutes after he saw it for the first time.

And the reason I remember that far back is because I brought my new one home and acted like I solved it. My mom thought I was brilliant and my dad messed it up and told me to do it again.
 
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So why is it that only Auburn is being accused of this... by respected coaches? Why would Snyder and Fisher go public with this? If "everyone" is doing it, then why is Auburn the one showing up in the media?

Makes me think, again, that Auburn is going next level.

Did a google search on this - filtering this past week and latest allegation. Auburn is still the only story that's showing up - except for one allegation against an Alabama staffer - go figure.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
if you aren't trying to figure out opponents signals and play calls for an advantage in some sort of fashion, you are not doing your homework.
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SDV said:
How people don't understand this is crazy
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bowlinggreenvol said:
One is tangible property the other is a "code" that's shown to the world for all to see. Is seeing a weakness in an opponents scheme and play calling against that unsportsmanlike? A coaching staffs job is to learn every tendency of an opponent possible. If that means I can figure out your play calls then so be it. Want to win? Call a better game. Disguise signs better. Watch more film.
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The "code" is NOT intended for the world to see (that's why it is a "code"), and any course on ethics would immediately identify "taking" something that is not intended to be "shared" to be unethical.

Both scenarios involve taking something that isn't yours - and both may not be addressed explicitly by law - but both involve ethics.
 
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If they stole KSU's signals then shame on KSU for being simpletons. This goes on every Saturday. Why do you think teams have three guys giving signals instead of one?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I have no problem with that as long as it occured during the course of the game and not pre-game spying. If an opponent is smart enough to figure out signals then that's simply capitalizing on an advantage IMO. Maybe my ethics meter is broken.

My HS baseball coach was always trying to steal pitch signals as do most others. Unfortunately I think he was wrong more than he was right haha.
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I agree, again assuming it is during game, not like stealing copy of playbook.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
If they stole KSU's signals then shame on KSU for being simpletons. This goes on every Saturday. Why do you think teams have three guys giving signals instead of one?
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Copied from above.

So why is it that only Auburn is being accused of this... by respected coaches? Why would Snyder and Fisher go public with this? If "everyone" is doing it, then why is Auburn the one showing up in the media?

Makes me think, again, that Auburn is going next level.

Did a google search on this - filtering this past week and latest allegation. Auburn is still the only story that's showing up - except for one allegation against an Alabama staffer - go figure.
 
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General Jack said:
Copied from above.

So why is it that only Auburn is being accused of this... by respected coaches? Why would Snyder and Fisher go public with this? If "everyone" is doing it, then why is Auburn the one showing up in the media?

Makes me think, again, that Auburn is going next level.

Did a google search on this - filtering this past week and latest allegation. Auburn is still the only story that's showing up - except for one allegation against an Alabama staffer - go figure.
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Cuz Synder is all butt hurt
 
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General Jack said:
Copied from above.

So why is it that only Auburn is being accused of this... by respected coaches? Why would Snyder and Fisher go public with this? If "everyone" is doing it, then why is Auburn the one showing up in the media?

Makes me think, again, that Auburn is going next level.

Did a google search on this - filtering this past week and latest allegation. Auburn is still the only story that's showing up - except for one allegation against an Alabama staffer - go figure.
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Next level?

Don't forget your tinfoil hat.
 
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General Jack said:
The "code" is NOT intended for the world to see (that's why it is a "code"), and any course on ethics would immediately identify "taking" something that is not intended to be "shared" to be unethical.

Both scenarios involve taking something that isn't yours - and both may not be addressed explicitly by law - but both involve ethics.
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If that's the case, why use code? Why not just yell out the play? According to you, Auburn would be wrong to use that knowledge since it wasn't intended for them.
 
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General Jack said:
The "code" is NOT intended for the world to see (that's why it is a "code"), and any course on ethics would immediately identify "taking" something that is not intended to be "shared" to be unethical.

Both scenarios involve taking something that isn't yours - and both may not be addressed explicitly by law - but both involve ethics.
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The message is not intended to be seen the code is. That's why you "code" a message, hence the word code.
 
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Doug Matthews was talking about this on his radio show this morning. He said it goes on all the time and that it started when football was invented. He said a team he was once associated with....he wouldn't say which..... Had a hearing impaired player that was a lip reader. They had him using binoculars trying to read the other coaches lips.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The message is not intended to be seen the code is. That's why you "code" a message, hence the word code.
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... and is not intended to be deciphered or compromised. Kind of like a lock on the door, or a password on your phone or PC.

I guess anything is fair game then, controls be damned.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Doug Matthews was talking about this on his radio show this morning. He said it goes on all the time and that it started when football was invented. He said a team he was once associated with....he wouldn't say which..... Had a hearing impaired player that was a lip reader. They had him using binoculars trying to read the other coaches lips.
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Then why is Auburn the only program making headlines?
 
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