Auburn being Auburn... (Stealing signals)

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General Jack said:
... and is not intended to be deciphered or compromised. Kind of like a lock on the door, or a password on your phone or PC.

I guess anything is fair game then, controls be damned.
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I'm done dude. I'm not changing your mind and you're not changing anyone else's. You're in the minority here so the majority of us must be severely lacking in the morals dept I reckon.
 
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General Jack said:
... and is not intended to be deciphered or compromised. Kind of like a lock on the door, or a password on your phone or PC.

I guess anything is fair game then, controls be damned.
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Ridiculous that you see no difference between football signals and PC passwords.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I'm done dude. I'm not changing your mind and you're not changing anyone else's. You're in the minority here so the majority of us must be severely lacking in the morals dept I reckon.
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I agree with General Jack, this is a game and is supposed to be played fairly for peoples enjoyment. This isnt war or life and death where you want any advantage you can get to survive.

And no matter what you say or anyone else says stealing another teams codes/signals is cheating and it is morally and ethically wrong. You can make excuses all you want but it wont change that fact.

I guess that you folks also think steroids are fine cause anything goes as long as you win at all costs. right ?

There is no sense of fair play anymore, people will sell their souls to win because of all the money involved and that's sad.

And Coach Snyder isn't a crybaby he is just old school and doesn't believe in this kind of behavior.
 
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Serious question for those who see this as an actual breach of etiquette:

How do you feel about teams picking up on ques from the qb, liking picking up his hands right before the snap? Do you consider that wrong?

What about when the offense audibles and the defensive coordinator counters by changing the front?

How is any of this different than watching someone's signals? It's not. You're trying to pick up on indicators to give yourself an advantage.

Any team that runs a no huddle or even audibles knows the other teams will try to steal their signals. It's up to them to do something about it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Serious question for those who see this as an actual breach of etiquette:

How do you feel about teams picking up on ques from the qb, liking picking up his hands right before the snap? Do you consider that wrong?

What about when the offense audibles and the defensive coordinator counters by changing the front?

How is any of this different than watching someone's signals? It's not. You're trying to pick up on indicators to give yourself an advantage.

Any team that runs a no huddle or even audibles knows the other teams will try to steal their signals. It's up to them to do something about it.
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Stop with common sense! It ruins others' opportunity to point out we all have broken moral compasses.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Serious question for those who see this as an actual breach of etiquette:

How do you feel about teams picking up on ques from the qb, liking picking up his hands right before the snap? Do you consider that wrong?

What about when the offense audibles and the defensive coordinator counters by changing the front?

How is any of this different than watching someone's signals? It's not. You're trying to pick up on indicators to give yourself an advantage.

Any team that runs a no huddle or even audibles knows the other teams will try to steal their signals. It's up to them to do something about it.
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I think the accusation is that Auburn stole the codes/signals prior to the game. Which is what would make this wrong.

Do you think it would be ok if KSU put a wire tap on Aburn's communications so they could listen to what the coaches where saying during the game ?
 
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vols4evah said:
I think the accusation is that Auburn stole the codes/signals prior to the game. Which is what would make this wrong.

Do you think it would be ok if KSU put a wire tap on Aburn's communications so they could listen to what the coaches where saying during the game ?
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Why don't you get a little more ridiculous with your comparisons?

And where is it stated that Auburn did any of this before the game? I've seen a whole lot of assumptions and conjecture but so far nothing to back it up other than you guys think Auburn is a bunch of meanies.
 
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vols4evah said:
I agree with General Jack, this is a game and is supposed to be played fairly for peoples enjoyment. This isnt war or life and death where you want any advantage you can get to survive.

And no matter what you say or anyone else says stealing another teams codes/signals is cheating and it is morally and ethically wrong. You can make excuses all you want but it wont change that fact.

I guess that you folks also think steroids are fine cause anything goes as long as you win at all costs. right ?

There is no sense of fair play anymore, people will sell their souls to win because of all the money involved and that's sad.

And Coach Snyder isn't a crybaby he is just old school and doesn't believe in this kind of behavior.
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I think you need to learn what "fact" means. And declaring something fact doesn't make it so, even on internet messageboards.
 
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vols4evah said:
I think the accusation is that Auburn stole the codes/signals prior to the game. Which is what would make this wrong.

Do you think it would be ok if KSU put a wire tap on Aburn's communications so they could listen to what the coaches where saying during the game ?
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Snyder is not accusing them of "stealing" them in the sense they did anything wrong and nothing pregame. Snyder said they've gotten them and we need to do a better job of disguising. That implies in game and that he's ok with it.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I'll defer to Jimbo on this.

Report: Kansas State coach accuses Auburn of stealing signals in close loss | FOX Sports
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In case those bellyaching about it are too scared to click the link, here's Fisher's quote:

"They had a couple of our signals a couple times and were getting to them," Fisher said. "That happens, people do it, and that's our fault. You've got to change them, constantly rotate them, being able to get them in different ways. That's part of the game. I don't have a problem with that."

So even though you guys are citing Fisher as someone joining the "Auburn haz cheats!", even he said he said it's their fault.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Why don't you get a little more ridiculous with your comparisons?

And where is it stated that Auburn did any of this before the game? I've seen a whole lot of assumptions and conjecture but so far nothing to back it up other than you guys like Auburn is a bunch of meanies.
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I think you should go back and read Snyder's statement again, he clearly insinuates that Auburn "had" the signals in the first half and that they made changes to them which fixed the problem.

I don't disagree that if Auburn figured out the signals during the game then they did nothing wrong, but the point being argued is that Auburn had them prior to the game which is wrong.

I find your defense of cheating far more ridiculous than my comparisons.
 
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vols4evah said:
I think you should go back and read Snyder's statement again, he clearly insinuates that Auburn "had" the signals in the first half and that they made changes to them which fixed the problem.

I don't disagree that if Auburn figured out the signals during the game then they did nothing wrong, but the point being argued is that Auburn had them prior to the game which is wrong.

I find your defense of cheating far more ridiculous than my comparisons.
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I think your interpretation of Synder's comments is clearly loaded, and Jimbo Fisher disagrees with you. Snyder hasn't said anything close to what you claim.

Your case can't get much weaker.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think your interpretation of Synder's comments is clearly loaded, and Jimbo Fisher disagrees with you. Snyder hasn't said anything close to what you claim.

Your case can't get much weaker.
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Ohh I agree with Jimbo, it was their fault because they hadn't changed their signals for at least a year and Auburn had a coach on their staff that was from FSU and knew the signals. So it was on them to change them to insure they where secure.
However that still doesn't make what Auburn did ethically or morally correct. (win at all cost, right)

this is twice now that Auburn has been accused of this, how many times does it take before people see the light and make the connection ? ( I could say the same for Jamis Winston, how many times does he have to show he is a scumbag before people see it?)

where there is smoke there is fire.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think your interpretation of Synder's comments is clearly loaded, and Jimbo Fisher disagrees with you. Snyder hasn't said anything close to what you claim.

Your case can't get much weaker.
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Don't you know it's against the rules and morally wrong to watch game film on your opponent, studying tendencies and whatnot, prior to playing them?
 
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vols4evah said:
Ohh I agree with Jimbo, it was their fault because they hadn't changed their signals for at least a year and Auburn had a coach on their staff that was from FSU and knew the signals. So it was on them to change them to insure they where secure.
However that still doesn't make what Auburn did ethically or morally correct. (win at all cost, right)

this is twice now that Auburn has been accused of this, how many times does it take before people see the light and make the connection ? ( I could say the same for Jamis Winston, how many times does he have to show he is a scumbag before people see it?)

where there is smoke there is fire.
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Did you conveniently avoid the part where Jimbo said it's part of the game, everyone does it, I have no problem with it?

Neither coach has labeled their actions wrong or unfair. They stated they figured them out and that's on us. If the opposition isn't affected by it, I don't think a message board minister should be.
 
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