Auburn being Auburn... (Stealing signals)

#76
#76
I think you should go back and read Snyder's statement again, he clearly insinuates that Auburn "had" the signals in the first half and that they made changes to them which fixed the problem.

I don't disagree that if Auburn figured out the signals during the game then they did nothing wrong, but the point being argued is that Auburn had them prior to the game which is wrong.

I find your defense of cheating far more ridiculous than my comparisons.

He said - "they're getting our signals"

getting implies active; in the now.

had implies started out with them.

I've seen nothing from Snyder where he even suggests that Auburn some how had the signals ahead of time.

Also, if I watched Auburn play last week and noticed that when they hold up a certain card they run a certain play did I steal their signals? Did I do anything wrong?
 
#77
#77
Don't you know it's against the rules and morally wrong to watch game film on your opponent, studying tendencies and whatnot, prior to playing them?

Indeed.

I'd also like to suggest that "trick" plays are dirty pool and don't even get me started on the ethics of trying to draw your opponent off sides...
 
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#78
#78
Funny how people are hanging their hat on things Snyder didn't say or do. The words "accuse" and "had" are ESPN creations; not Snyder quotes.
 
#79
#79
What's so ironic is the old-school fans long for the times when these shennanigans didn't go on and it was more sportsmanlike, you know the times when dirt was thrown in eyes off the line, biting in the piles. None of that win at all cost stuff.
 
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#80
#80
Ohh I agree with Jimbo, it was their fault because they hadn't changed their signals for at least a year and Auburn had a coach on their staff that was from FSU and knew the signals. So it was on them to change them to insure they where secure.
However that still doesn't make what Auburn did ethically or morally correct. (win at all cost, right)

this is twice now that Auburn has been accused of this, how many times does it take before people see the light and make the connection ? ( I could say the same for Jamis Winston, how many times does he have to show he is a scumbag before people see it?)

where there is smoke there is fire.

How many times are you going to repeat this, and how many times are you going to keep interpreting what Fisher and Stewart said through what you WANT them be saying?

I mean look at how you "explained" what Fisher said yet his exact words contradict your explaination.
 
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#81
#81
More reason to put an earpiece in helmets like the NFL.
 
#82
#82
I agree with General Jack, this is a game and is supposed to be played fairly for peoples enjoyment. This isnt war or life and death where you want any advantage you can get to survive.

And no matter what you say or anyone else says stealing another teams codes/signals is cheating and it is morally and ethically wrong. You can make excuses all you want but it wont change that fact.

I guess that you folks also think steroids are fine cause anything goes as long as you win at all costs. right ?

There is no sense of fair play anymore, people will sell their souls to win because of all the money involved and that's sad.

And Coach Snyder isn't a crybaby he is just old school and doesn't believe in this kind of behavior.

Naive post is naive
 
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#83
#83
Don't forget Jimbo Fisher. And he won the game.

Here's what Fisher said...

"They had a couple of our signals a couple times and were getting to them," Fisher said. "That happens, people do it, and that's our fault. You've got to change them, constantly rotate them, being able to get them in different ways. That's part of the game. I don't have a problem with that."

Does this change your perspective at all?
 
#84
#84
Did you conveniently avoid the part where Jimbo said it's part of the game, everyone does it, I have no problem with it?

Neither coach has labeled their actions wrong or unfair. They stated they figured them out and that's on us. If the opposition isn't affected by it, I don't think a message board minister should be.

Actually I was agreeing with you guys about FSU and what Jimbo said. The problem with people like you is once someone disagrees with you on anything you get out raged and cant see anything else, then you start insulting people and name calling, when no one has insulted you. You have insulted me twice now simply because I don't agree with you.

I know you think it makes you look cool but I look at it with disdain.
 
#85
#85
Actually I was agreeing with you guys about FSU and what Jimbo said. The problem with people like you is once someone disagrees with you on anything you get out raged and cant see anything else, then you start insulting people and name calling, when no one has insulted you. You have insulted me twice now simply because I don't agree with you.

I know you think it makes you look cool but I look at it with disdain.

And you haven't insinuated that our ethics are questionable because we disagreed that this was not wrong?

Didn't know being labeled a minister was offensive.
 
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#88
#88
And you haven't insinuated that our ethics are questionable because we disagreed that this was not wrong?

Didn't know being labeled a minister was offensive.

actually no I didn't and please show me where I did ? I never said you at all, I said win at all cost in general. As in a win at all cost mentality that permeates this board nowadays, the its ok to cheat(as in paying players) if we don't get caught mentality that I see displayed everyday. you know the ole excuse that "everybody does it so its ok" bullcrap. I find it morally reprehensible.

I also only said that if Auburn had the signals before the game that it is ethically and morally wrong. I agreed that if they figured them out during the game then thats fine.

as far as what Snyder and Fisher said about Auburn after the fact, they would have never brought the subject up at all to the national media if it didn't bother them, you know good and well they are/where both upset by it at the time. But they are both professional coach's and have high dollar jobs on the line and have to be careful about accusing someone of cheating, so they calmed down and back tracked from the original statements. Which does not mean that Auburn wasn't pulling something underhanded and dirty.

as for the minister thing:
of course you meant it to be offensive, that was/is the only reason to post such a remark.

I am done now, I cant have a discussion with people who want to turn everything into a fight.
 
#89
#89
Actually I was agreeing with you guys about FSU and what Jimbo said. The problem with people like you is once someone disagrees with you on anything you get out raged and cant see anything else, then you start insulting people and name calling, when no one has insulted you. You have insulted me twice now simply because I don't agree with you.

I know you think it makes you look cool but I look at it with disdain.

Actually you were still using it as evidence of Auburn being unethical, so no you weren't agreeing with us about what he said.
 
#90
#90
Ohh I agree with Jimbo, it was their fault because they hadn't changed their signals for at least a year and Auburn had a coach on their staff that was from FSU and knew the signals. So it was on them to change them to insure they where secure.
However that still doesn't make what Auburn did ethically or morally correct. (win at all cost, right)


this is twice now that Auburn has been accused of this, how many times does it take before people see the light and make the connection ? ( I could say the same for Jamis Winston, how many times does he have to show he is a scumbag before people see it?)

where there is smoke there is fire.

reading comprehension is your friend.
 
#91
#91
reading comprehension is your friend.

Yours is worse:

"They had a couple of our signals a couple times and were getting to them," Fisher said. "That happens, people do it, and that's our fault. You've got to change them, constantly rotate them, being able to get them in different ways. That's part of the game. I don't have a problem with that."

Yet you keep screaming how unethical that is, and Jimbo Fisher does not agree.
 
#92
#92
actually no I didn't and please show me where I did ? I never said you at all, I said win at all cost in general. As in a win at all cost mentality that permeates this board nowadays, the its ok to cheat(as in paying players) if we don't get caught mentality that I see displayed everyday. you know the ole excuse that "everybody does it so its ok" bullcrap. I find it morally reprehensible.

I also only said that if Auburn had the signals before the game that it is ethically and morally wrong. I agreed that if they figured them out during the game then thats fine.

as far as what Snyder and Fisher said about Auburn after the fact, they would have never brought the subject up at all to the national media if it didn't bother them, you know good and well they are/where both upset by it at the time. But they are both professional coach's and have high dollar jobs on the line and have to be careful about accusing someone of cheating, so they calmed down and back tracked from the original statements. Which does not mean that Auburn wasn't pulling something underhanded and dirty.

as for the minister thing:
of course you meant it to be offensive, that was/is the only reason to post such a remark.

I am done now, I cant have a discussion with people who want to turn everything into a fight.

WTF are you talking about? Snyder said his comment at the half and AGAIN didn't say what you keep saying he said. He didn't back down because it wasn't brought up anymore. And Fisher's quote was all that was said about it, are you saying he said it then backed down by the end of the comment? You do realize that was all one quote right?
 
#93
#93
Yours is worse:

"They had a couple of our signals a couple times and were getting to them," Fisher said. "That happens, people do it, and that's our fault. You've got to change them, constantly rotate them, being able to get them in different ways. That's part of the game. I don't have a problem with that."

Yet you keep screaming how unethical that is, and Jimbo Fisher does not agree.

good lord, I already addressed his statements after the fact here.

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as far as what Snyder and Fisher said about Auburn after the fact, they would have never brought the subject up at all to the national media if it didn't bother them, you know good and well they are/where both upset by it at the time. But they are both professional coach's and have high dollar jobs on the line and have to be careful about accusing someone of cheating, so they calmed down and back tracked from the original statements. Which does not mean that Auburn wasn't pulling something underhanded and dirty.

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but you know what , you win I quit.

you can defend Auburn to your hearts content if it makes you feel better but I think they will cheat any chance they get and you cant ever change my mind. hey just ask cam Newton.

/cheers
 
#94
#94
good lord, I already addressed his statements after the fact here.

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as far as what Snyder and Fisher said about Auburn after the fact, they would have never brought the subject up at all to the national media if it didn't bother them, you know good and well they are/where both upset by it at the time. But they are both professional coach's and have high dollar jobs on the line and have to be careful about accusing someone of cheating, so they calmed down and back tracked from the original statements. Which does not mean that Auburn wasn't pulling something underhanded and dirty.

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but you know what , you win I quit.

you can defend Auburn to your hearts content if it makes you feel better but I think they will cheat any chance they get and you cant ever change my mind. hey just ask cam Newton.

/cheers

Your addressing of Fisher's statement is as dumb as the rest of your arguments.
 
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#95
#95
Which does not mean that Auburn wasn't pulling something underhanded and dirty.

Here's the problem - you've consistently leveled this charge which has no evidence to back it up.

Nowhere did either coach say or even insinuate that Auburn had some pre-game knowledge that was gained in a nefarious way yet you keep throwing it out as if it happened.

You misquoted Snyder and got the timing wrong too (it wasn't after the game). Jimbo's actual quote indicates there is nothing wrong with what happened. Did you ever consider both coaches were trying to explain how the other team seemed to slow them down more than they expected? Neither coach filed any complaint and neither as far as I can tell made more than a single comment about this.

Can you provide any facts supporting your repeated assertion that Auburn violated game ethics, did something underhanded and dirty or had knowledge of signals before hand that didn't come from watching game tape?
 
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#98
#98
If stealing signals wasn't accepted or considered to be a part of the game, coaches wouldn't hold play cards over their mouths when communicating with coaches in the booth.
 
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If stealing signals wasn't accepted or considered to be a part of the game, coaches wouldn't hold play cards over their mouths when communicating with coaches in the booth.

That's why I asked him why not just yell the play out to the offense? I mean that message is intended just for the offense, and according to his logic the defense would be wrong for using that info because it wasn't for them.
 

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