Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

#1,951
#1,951
I've heard that argument, but it doesn't hold water.

The SEC bylaw only deals with the actions of the player or player's rep. It makes no qualification for the actions of the institution or institution's rep. Given the simple fact that the bylaw clarifies that both receiving and agreeing to receive are violations, solicitation has to be considered a part of the rule. Otherwise, the actions of the institution or institution's rep would be written into the bylaw since they would be required in order to qualify as "agreement".
 
#1,952
#1,952
Again, I think Slive could have construed the by-law in the manner we all wished he would have, but he didn't, and the interpretation they gave is this:

Receive= family member actually receives benefit
Agrees to receive=Institution offers benefit and family member accepts said offer.

It is not, by any means, a stretch to interpret the by-law in this manner given the way it is constructed.
 
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#1,954
#1,954
Auburn's defense is freaking pathetic, and they have a laughable D-coord. Oregon will score on every possession against them.

While the debate goes on about the horrendous management of the NCAA and the Bureaucratic nature of Mike Slive, know this about Cecil Newton: Once a Pimp, always a Pimp. Know this about Auburn: Once a cheater, always a cheater.

The investigators will find out that Cecil pimped him to Auburn.
 
#1,955
#1,955
Wow there are alot of self righteous hollier than thou types on this board. Whaaaa I'm not watching the SECCG, Whaaaa I'm going to pull for the Ducks in the BCSCG. Get over yourselves. Newton and AU have been "temporarily" cleared!!

It's all about money the SEC the NCAA the BCS the TV networks everyone with a financial stake in it wants an AU v. OR matchup in the BCS. As soon as you people realize the NCAA and all involved are in it for the money and not the "purity" of college sports the happier you will be with just good football.
 
#1,959
#1,959
hog88 said:
Fine do what you will, I always pull for the SEC team. Better for UT and the SEC as a whole when an SEC team wins it all in any sport.
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so it's better for UT when the teams we recruit against daily for players in the southeast go undefeated and win NC's? How's that work exactly?
 
#1,960
#1,960
hog88 said:
Wow there are alot of self righteous hollier than thou types on this board. Whaaaa I'm not watching the SECCG, Whaaaa I'm going to pull for the Ducks in the BCSCG. Get over yourselves. Newton and AU have been "temporarily" cleared!!

It's all about money the SEC the NCAA the BCS the TV networks everyone with a financial stake in it wants an AU v. OR matchup in the BCS. As soon as you people realize the NCAA and all involved are in it for the money and not the "purity" of college sports the happier you will be with just good football.
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I think that's what pro sports is for. The real issue here is putting everyone on an equal playing field. If the NCAA wants to open things up to a bidding war, fine by be. States with decent population and that have only one public major college football program in-state will quickly rise to the cream of the crop.
 
#1,961
#1,961
utvolpj said:
so it's better for UT when the teams we recruit against daily for players in the southeast go undefeated and win NC's? How's that work exactly?
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agreed. i don't get this logic. i'm rooting hard against oregon for this very reason.
 
#1,962
#1,962
hog88 said:
Fine do what you will, I always pull for the SEC team. Better for UT and the SEC as a whole when an SEC team wins it all in any sport.
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How do you figure that? UTK does not get any more money if AU wins. It might be harder for UTK to recruit certain players if AU wins. Then, of course, there's the whole moral issue that the Newton situation gives rise to based on which version of the facts you chose to believe.

you guys beat me to that point.
 
#1,963
#1,963
utvolpj said:
so it's better for UT when the teams we recruit against daily for players in the southeast go undefeated and win NC's? How's that work exactly?
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Most of you top players want to play for or against the best, be in the lest confrence. Makes the SEC TV deal worth more so more money goes to UT. When we get back to 10-2 or 11-1 we will get the the bid to the big game since we are in the SEC.

How can it be bad????
 
#1,964
#1,964
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think that's what pro sports is for. The real issue here is putting everyone on an equal playing field. If the NCAA wants to open things up to a bidding war, fine by be. States with decent population and that have only one public major college football program in-state will quickly rise to the cream of the crop.
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It's just the reality of the day. Once I stopped caring about crud like this it made watching football alot better.
 
#1,965
#1,965
hog88 said:
Most of you top players want to play for or against the best, be in the lest confrence. Makes the SEC TV deal worth more so more money goes to UT. When we get back to 10-2 or 11-1 we will get the the bid to the big game since we are in the SEC.

How can it be bad????
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so Dooley's recruiting pitch should be "come to UT, we play the national champs every six years"? Or if it's UF and bama his pitch is even stronger since we play both every year. It's bad because AU, bama and UF will be able to show a recruit their recent SEC trophies/crystal footballs while we hope they don't have allergies when being near ours.

and how do we get more money out of a guaranteed deal?
 
#1,966
#1,966
utvolpj said:
so Dooley's recruiting pitch should be "come to UT, we play the national champs every six years"? Or if it's UF and bama his pitch is even stronger since we play both every year. It's bad because AU, bama and UF will be able to show a recruit their recent SEC trophies/crystal footballs while we hope they don't have allergies when being near ours.

and how do we get more money out of a guaranteed deal?
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Wow I didn't realize we should be scared of another schools succsess? I for one want DD out there telling kids, come to UT we are the best because we play the best every year.

The TV deal is not forever.
 
#1,967
#1,967
hog88 said:
Wow I didn't realize we should be scared of another schools succsess? I for one want DD out there telling kids, come to UT we are the best because we play the best every year.

The TV deal is not forever.
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I never said scared I said it makes the job at UT harder. Go look at the number of recruits where we are going against Auburn and tell me it's a positive to be a 6-6 team going against the conf/national champs
 
#1,968
#1,968
utvolpj said:
I never said scared I said it makes the job at UT harder. Go look at the number of recruits where we are going against Auburn and tell me it's a positive to be a 6-6 team going against the conf/national champs
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I don't think we will be 6-6 forever either. Build on your success not anothers failure.
 
#1,969
#1,969
andrewh said:
LSUFreek strikes again!!

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:eek:lol::birgits_giggle:
 
#1,971
#1,971
hog88 said:
Wow I didn't realize we should be scared of another schools succsess? I for one want DD out there telling kids, come to UT we are the best because we play the best every year.

The TV deal is not forever.
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I would rather it be..come to UT because WE ARE THE BEST.:yes:
 
#1,972
#1,972
CountVolcula said:
So its cool for teams to break the rules and win, while other teams that play by the rules, struggle because they do so?
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So far no one has "PROVED" AU did anything wrong. So until then and if they beat USCjr I'll pull for them in the BCSCG.
 
#1,973
#1,973
hog88 said:
So far no one has "PROVED" AU did anything wrong. So until then and if they beat USCjr I'll pull for them in the BCSCG.
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So you'll vacate your pulling down the road if the NCAA determined him ineligible after the fact? If you're an AU fan or a Newton fine, fine. Just be out with it.
 
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