Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

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It all makes sense now. Cam got Megan Mullen pregnant. Bobby Lowder and Pat Dye video taped the act and blackmailed the Newton's into going to Auburn. That is why the FBI has been looking into "extortion" charges in this case. Milton McGregor took bets on the sex of the child and payments were made both via bingo machines and Colonial ATMs. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

It's all so clear now.
 
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I hate to keep going back to this but this statement by the "wife-gate" author clearly is an assumption and not a fact.

Solicitation of funds is by definition to “agree to receive” funds, which is prohibited by the SEC bylaw.
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How is asking by definition agreeing to receive in legal terms? As a teacher a student asking for a grade change, extension, etc is not agreeing to receive since nothing has been offered. Solicitation and accepting in principle are different issues.
 
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"The money was too much" comment seems too solid to be based on pure speculation at this point. Methinks AU better enjoy the next couple of years while the NCAA is investigating. Somebody at AU knows something.
 
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Is everyone overlooking the SECCG?
AU has to beat a pretty good USCe team before they get a shot at OU.
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rjd970 said:
"The money was too much" comment seems too solid to be based on pure speculation at this point. Methinks AU better enjoy the next couple of years while the NCAA is investigating. Somebody at AU knows something.
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I'll have to check but I believe the SEC claimed this information was never provided to them eventhough they repeatedly asked for it.

IOW - this is information that appeared in a news story. At one point recently the SEC claimed MSU had not shared that info with them.
 
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Vols378 said:
Is everyone overlooking the SECCG?
AU has to beat a pretty good USCe team before they get a shot at OU.
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Agree - though I see the issues as separate.

Look, I've got too much vested in my contrarian view to give in now - at least until some overwhelming evidence comes out...:)
 
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Want some cheese with that whine?


hog88 said:
Wow there are alot of self righteous hollier than thou types on this board. Whaaaa I'm not watching the SECCG, Whaaaa I'm going to pull for the Ducks in the BCSCG. Get over yourselves. Newton and AU have been "temporarily" cleared!!

It's all about money the SEC the NCAA the BCS the TV networks everyone with a financial stake in it wants an AU v. OR matchup in the BCS. As soon as you people realize the NCAA and all involved are in it for the money and not the "purity" of college sports the happier you will be with just good football.
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volinbham said:
I'll have to check but I believe the SEC claimed this information was never provided to them eventhough they repeatedly asked for it.

IOW - this is information that appeared in a news story. At one point recently the SEC claimed MSU had not shared that info with them.
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Years of NCAA snailpace investigating can turn up a lot. I would not be surprised one bit if a disgruntled whistleblower comes out with either proof or testimony substantiating what Cam/Cecil supposedly said....just my opinion not based on any fact.

FWIW, I mostly agree with your stance on this. I just think there is too much smoke for something shady not to have happened somewhere along the way.
 
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Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person who would provide more specifics, the source said.
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From the Joe Schad article referenced indicated Mullen and wife were the two "recruiters" in the story. If the author of the piece linked by Bamaharvey is correct than Dan Mullen was directly solicited yet continued to recruit Cam and failed to report the incident to the NCAA until after Cam signed with Auburn.

Has Dan Mullen been directly linked to the solicitation?
 
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rjd970 said:
Years of NCAA snailpace investigating can turn up a lot. I would not be surprised one bit if a disgruntled whistleblower comes out with either proof or testimony substantiating what Cam/Cecil supposedly said....just my opinion not based on any fact.

FWIW, I mostly agree with your stance on this. I just think there is too much smoke for something shady not to have happened somewhere along the way.
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I agree - I think the NCAA and SEC ruling is tough to justify even if Auburn didn't pay. I'm 50/50 on whether or not Auburn paid.

On the flip side, I think the Tiger Droppings grand conspiracy view linking Cam, Dye, McGreggor, Lowder, Trooper, etc. is a case of wishful thinking by folks who don't like Auburn. I put the "wife gate" article in that pile. It's a stretch to call Ms. Mullen a recruiter and I doubt an ESPN reporter would label her such. I suspect if she were the "money was too much" source then he would call her a "source" not a "recruiter".

Full disclosure: I support Cam and Auburn because their success drives Bammers insane. For that I'm willing to overlook a few things....
 
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FYI - Interesting potential logic I heard today:

Why would Slive risk a big potential BCS debacle if Cam is ultimately ruled ineligible given the SEC has 4 of the last 5 BCS titles. Is the short term gain worth the public tarnish of supporting Auburn if you knew they were big time (Plains burning) dirty? Especially if you expect the UA and UF to be back to usual next year?

Alternatively, if you think the case against Auburn is weak at best you fight to preserve their opportunity.

In short, Slive is looking out for the league - not a particular team. Pulling a fast one for a team that is going to go down just ain't worth it.

Not sure I buy it but thought it was interesting.
 
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bham,

Slive's concern is making sure the money flows in. He's not really concerned about the good name of the conference, because it's not going to have any effect come pay day.
 
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bamawriter said:
bham,

Slive's concern is making sure the money flows in. He's not really concerned about the good name of the conference, because it's not going to have any effect come pay day.
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I disagree - he's concerned about keeping the SEC machine going. It's a short-term vs long-term thing. He took a public image risk for the conf. to bend the rules for Cam. I am doubtful he would do that if he had strong knowledge that Auburn was going to be found guilty of the type of allegations in the Plains are Burning scenario.

Hell, Auburn is 50/50 to win today. That's a big bet if you know the team is going to have to give back the title and it will come out you knew they were highly dirty.
 
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volinbham said:
FYI - Interesting potential logic I heard today:

Why would Slive risk a big potential BCS debacle if Cam is ultimately ruled ineligible given the SEC has 4 of the last 5 BCS titles. Is the short term gain worth the public tarnish of supporting Auburn if you knew they were big time (Plains burning) dirty? Especially if you expect the UA and UF to be back to usual next year?

Alternatively, if you think the case against Auburn is weak at best you fight to preserve their opportunity.

In short, Slive is looking out for the league - not a particular team. Pulling a fast one for a team that is going to go down just ain't worth it.

Not sure I buy it but thought it was interesting.
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I personally believe that this is over the head of the SEC office as well as the NCAA. We know that both the FBI and State Investigative agencies have been involved, which would obviously take priority over these athletic institutions. And if I were calling the shots for the NCAA or the SEC I would just "let it be" for now. What choice would you have? You don't have the investigative authority or the power to subpoena, while the government agencies do.

So of course you will wait on the government to conclude their investigations and hand down their rulings before you make a ruling of your own that makes you and your institution look foolish and weak. So for now why not keep the fan interest high (SEC vs Pac10 with two high scoring teams) while your hands are tied? I honestly think that Slive is practically powerless here and is shows. Auburn, the SEC, and the NCAA are all running around like chickens with their head cut off because, for now, they have nowhere to go. They can only wait.
 
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The AU stuff (whatever it is, or is not) will be figured out in time. It didn't start with AU but whatever happens will end with them, thats where he is playing.

The AA decided that the info that involved MSU was not enough to sit the (IMO) MVP of the AA at this point.
 
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His junior college coaches were all really sure that Cam would go play for Mississippi State. The Cam did a 180 and went to Auburn. Why?


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