Auburn Moving To The East?

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#102
My $0.02 worth for this.

Get rid of Mizzou. They add nothing to the conference, especially as of late. I'd say the MAC or C-USA might be willing to oblige them dropping down. Nobody else wants a plutonium program at the moment either.

Barn moves to the East as a "replacement."

Pick up of Oklahoma State as another SEC West team. And before someone says it, screw OU and their fan base. They are just as bad as Bama in the arrogance department. I'd rather have a scrappy team like OSU that doesn't bring along baggage. OSU keeps a permanent OOC rival in OU like UGA does with Tech and UF does with FSU.

Really pour the salt in the Big 12's eyes by picking up Houston for the SEC West. They've proved they deserve their shot at the P5 world. (And before you say it, Bamawriter, I don't care about TV markets) Pick up UNC or Duke (this will make Calipari scream and would be worth it on that fact alone) as the final SEC East team. Either school adds value to the conference.

16 teams total. SEC Alignment looks like this.

SEC East:

Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
UNC/Duke

SEC West:

Alabama
Texas A&M
Oklahoma State
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Miss State
Houston

Go to a ten game conference schedule with seven division games, two permanent cross rivals and one round robin cross divisional match. The Iron Bowl and TSIO are preserved and everyone is happy.

I'm dreaming this morning.
 
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#104
OU and the Pokes are tied at the hip, no way you get one without the other. Also there is no way A&M would let Houston join and they add 0 TV footprint because the SEC already owns the Houston TV market. I honestly think NC State would jump at the chance to join the SEC, at least their fans seem to be on board. They're tired of being the red headed stepchild in the shadow of Duke and Carolina.
 
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TrueOrange said:
In your opinion, who would theoretically be more likely to be paired with whom? I could see arguments made for either.

(UT and Arkansas share a natural border and were previously paired during then SEC's original 2-permanent-opposite-division-opponents set up used from 1992-2002. On the other hand, Missouri and Tennessee also share a natural border, and one could also reasonably push Arkansas and UGA having a better connection than Missouri and UGA.)
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I would suspect that Tennessee would get Missouri.

That said, I could see them giving Mizzou to Kentucky, giving Arkansas to Tennessee, and giving MSU to UGA.

Of course, this is a hypothetical that's never going to happen.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
OU and the Pokes are tied at the hip, no way you get one without the other. Also there is no way A&M would let Houston join and they add 0 TV footprint because the SEC already owns the Houston TV market. I honestly think NC State would jump at the chance to join the SEC, at least their fans seem to be on board. They're tired of being the red headed stepchild in the shadow of Duke and Carolina.
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I disagree at the realistic chances of that happening. NC State is actually part of UNC's education system, unlike the Texas A&M and Texas relationship was. I mean, to the point that either 6 or 8 of the 13 NCST board members that would be making the vote for any sort of conference move are people put on NCST's board by UNC itself.

There's very little chance that the people given their jobs by UNC would vote yes on anything that could weaken or negatively impact UNC's program or the security of its program having a home in a major conference.
 
#108
#108
Yeah, knowing North Carolina politics and community pretty well, there is no way in hell you'll ever split up UNC, NC State, and Duke. I'd even add Wake Forest to that, but the bonds holding them in the fold are a bit looser, so could see it happen maybe one day. Not the other three, they're a matched set forever.
 
#109
#109
I wasn't suggesting that is realistic, just that a good amount of State fans would love to change conferences. They genuinely hate UNC And think Swofford has the league rigged.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
OU and the Pokes are tied at the hip, no way you get one without the other.
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Not as much in recent years as you might think. OSU has gotten their athletic programs in decent enough shape to take a seat at the big boy table. Yet, they are still treated as the little brother by the gents in Norman. OU to the Big 12 is what Texas was about a decade ago. Remember who opposed the expansion the most this past year when Memphis and Houston practically gift wrapped themselves for membership?

If an offer was made, OSU would jump ship in a heartbeat.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just like Barn isn't moving to the East.

Now will you please STFU and and move on? Others are trying to have a nice conversation about "what if" and you really are ****ing it up.

Thank you.
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You're presenting your hypothetical preferences. I'm countering. This isn't about what will or won't happen. Hypothetically, your preferences kinda suck.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So does your opinion on a great many things.
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If you say so.

To expound a bit:

Oklahoma St has one conference title in the past 40 years. They have only one outright title in the past 70 (their second most recent came while they were still in the Missouri Valley). Aside from being the BCS bridesmaid in 2011, the most notable moment in Okie State football history came when their players and coaches conspired to commit an on-field hate crime (see Johnny Bright). They have been decent lately. Decent, nothing more. They are the perennial step-child in a small state. They have spotty fan support but one very wealthy booster.

Houston is a commuter school with a stadium smaller than Vanderbilt's.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My $0.02 worth for this.

Get rid of Mizzou. They add nothing to the conference, especially as of late. I'd say the MAC or C-USA might be willing to oblige them dropping down. Nobody else wants a plutonium program at the moment either.

Barn moves to the East as a "replacement."

Pick up of Oklahoma State as another SEC West team. And before someone says it, screw OU and their fan base. They are just as bad as Bama in the arrogance department. I'd rather have a scrappy team like OSU that doesn't bring along baggage. OSU keeps a permanent OOC rival in OU like UGA does with Tech and UF does with FSU.

Really pour the salt in the Big 12's eyes by picking up Houston for the SEC West. They've proved they deserve their shot at the P5 world. (And before you say it, Bamawriter, I don't care about TV markets) Pick up UNC or Duke (this will make Calipari scream and would be worth it on that fact alone) as the final SEC East team. Either school adds value to the conference.

16 teams total. SEC Alignment looks like this.

SEC East:

Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
UNC/Duke

SEC West:

Alabama
Texas A&M
Oklahoma State
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Miss State
Houston

Go to a ten game conference schedule with seven division games, two permanent cross rivals and one round robin cross divisional match. The Iron Bowl and TSIO are preserved and everyone is happy.

I'm dreaming this morning.
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Houston is a terrible idea if you've already got A&M. Not only that, it would throw away the money from the large St Louis and Kansas City markets for a smaller program school that needs propping up (I did notice you said you're not interested in TV markets and understand, but it and to a much lesser degree brand recognizability are major factors with keeping these schools all afloat at the same level of competition as the other major conferences).

Picking up Houston also would not hurt the Big 12; if Houston were that good a long term program, that big of a brand draw, and would actually have done much to help the Big 12 profile other than split a non-increasing amount of money among more teams, they'd have already picked them up. Taking Ok St without (at least) some sort of scenario where the SEC was forced to take them as a result of some agreement with adding Oklahoma would also be a poor move.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not as much in recent years as you might think. OSU has gotten their athletic programs in decent enough shape to take a seat at the big boy table. Yet, they are still treated as the little brother by the gents in Norman. OU to the Big 12 is what Texas was about a decade ago. Remember who opposed the expansion the most this past year when Memphis and Houston practically gift wrapped themselves for membership?

If an offer was made, OSU would jump ship in a heartbeat.
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Texas and the TV networks? OU was the initial push behind the search for additional members and the idea of a Big 12 conference network.


OU was also repeatedly trying to bring OK ST with it to the PAC-12 the last two rounds of conference realignment.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Texas and the TV networks? OU was the initial push behind the search for additional members and the idea of a Big 12 conference network.

OU was also repeatedly trying to bring OK ST with it to the PAC-12 the last two rounds of conference realignment.
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Actually, it was OU who was first for it, then was reported to be the driving force in not expanding. The OU President got the title game reinstated, but expansion talk seemed to cool after that.

And a lot has changed since the last round of realignment.
 
#120
#120
I don't know if this has been posted in the other nine pages (didn't read them all) but, if they were to move there goes our permanent cross division rival!
 
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1chattyvols1 said:
I don't know if this has been posted in the other nine pages (didn't read them all) but, if they were to move there goes our permanent cross division rival!
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You mean that cross division rival that's won 31 of the last 46 including the last 10 in a row and a 49-10 thrashing on our home field in 2016. Yeah, it was discussed.
 
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