Auburn Scandal

#76
#76
VolsSportsFan said:
Mistake? Sure. Made a thread where I claimed I was going to get some 500 page document from some friend of a professor. Nope never done that, so some stones are headed your way.
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actually.... im quite sure youve probably done worse than that in your life.... so to stone me seems a little hypocritical (not that i havent done anything worse)
 
#77
#77
NYYVol said:
Bit of advice: don't take it personally. Who cares at the end of the day?
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appreciated and agreed..... won't do me any good to post in here anymore unless i get the link.....

happy stone throwing hope all goes well....
 
#79
#79
mitzustu said:
appreciated and agreed..... won't do me any good to post in here anymore unless i get the link.....

happy stone throwing hope all goes well....
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I hope you get the link because I don't like getting my hopes up for Auburn to burn just to have As The Plains Burn show up...again...
 
#80
#80
Yea i hate auburn a lot. Hope that link comes through and you're right.
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#81
#81
I hate auburn worse than an sports team pro or college. But that link is never comming.
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#82
#82
Some people associated with auburn might be in big trouble for a situation unrelated to cam newton, butthe idea it's coming back around to him is some real Oliver Stone type stuff.
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#84
#84
As the Plains Burn-------(Updated 1-23-2011 pg. 925) @ TigerDroppings.com


How about 1000? :lol:
 
#87
#87
*Auburn and Bama have always paid players. It's institutional and state-wide. They both CHEAT!
 
#89
#89
I haven't read through the entire thread but I talked to one of my coach friends today and it was confirmed to him that the NCAA has the goods on Auburn. It is a matter of letting things play out.

Yes Lowder is at the heart of it. Also a casino owner and the yellow wood guy.
 
#90
#90
Sorry this is cut and pasted. From an interview with Terry Bowden before he was paid off not to talk. This is how stuff works at Auburn

Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.
>
> Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a
> visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University
> football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included
> an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to
> sign
> with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.
>
> In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden
> alleged that the "pay-for-play" system was orchestrated by powerful AU
> Board
> of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach
> Wayne Hall.
>
> Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and
> included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain
> the
> former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing
> in the Crimson Tide program.
>
> Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being
> named Auburn 's head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the
> program from within." I broke the rules," Bowden said. "I told Wayne Hall
> to
> pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.
>
> I was hiding a dirty secret." Bowden said the payment of players can be
> traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU
> athletic department." Nothing was done without Lowder knowing." Wayne Hall
> and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks
> talking.
>
> This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991
> when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine
> Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would
> contribute
> money to Samford equal to Katherine's salary as long as we didn't tell her
> where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.
>
> Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my
> office door and says, "Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at
> Auburn ." Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder
> was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn't resign.
>
> I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel's office in
> Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job
> interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John
> Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night
> before the interview, Lowder told me "here's how the interview will go."
>
> This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There
> were six candidates - Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat
> Sullivan,
> Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be,
> the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he
> knew he couldn't get him approved. I was the backup.
>
> I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote
> that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me
> last. That's how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne
> Hall
> as an assistant.
>
> Tommy (Bowden, Terry's brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me
> that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day
> on
> the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said "you can't hire Hall." But then
> I
> understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn't hire Hall we will
> find
> a new president.
>
> So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of
> players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it
> was paid. He said we've still got 9-12 players that we're paying $600 per
> month.
>
> We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that
> we
> pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He
> was
> paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant
> compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I
> said pay it off, and it will never happen again.
>
> Hall said "OK, but you will change your mind." Katherine came to Auburn as
>
> my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told
> Lowder "We have cash all over." Lowder said "I told Wayne not to collect
> more than we had to have to pay the players." Wayne had a safe in his
> house
> wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me
> about paying Jelks.
>
> Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath
> and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, "I didn't want Wayne
> to
> collect more money than we needed to pay the players." I was hiding a
> dirty
> secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin)
> Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.
>
> It took about two years to get it all cleaned up. Most the guys we were
> paying weren't any good and weren't helping us win games. Steve Davis was
> the exception.
>
> HERE IS HOW IT WORKS fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would
> collect it. These are all good men. They didn't ask questions. The coach
> tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went
> 11-0 and 9-0-1.
>
> My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, "Hall
> is
> on the phone a lot with Lowder." I thought he was going back to cheating.
> I
> told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.
>
> I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the
> beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high
> maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to
> players -
> Rane, Spina and McWhorter.
>
> Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be
> involved
> in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came
> on. I don't dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I
> called
> Lowder.
>
> I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) "He's not a
> good
> AD, but he's my AD." David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking
> passes,
> Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping
> Lowder
> informed.
>
> By my last year I'm having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of
> Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to
> Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the
> job
> if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to
> win.
>
>
> After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but
> (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the
> Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year
> and
> get out.
>
> When I got here Lowder said don't talk to Muse, he's weak and his wife is
> a
> n----r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last
> week I was coach: Monday - The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an
> undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board
> of
> Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.
>
> I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story
> was
> not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday -
> (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our
> coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof
> that
> I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday - I had a 7
> a.m.
> meeting with Housel.
>
> He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had
> talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed
> source.
>
> He said he also wants you to know that he doesn't care if you win five of
> your next six, you're out. David said the only way I would keep my job was
> if Fob James wins (the governor's race). Thursday - I brought in my
> lawyer,
> Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.
>
> He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a
> settlement. Muse didn't even know. They were using Oliver. They were never
> going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.
 
#91
#91
Dude don't get my hopes up. I have been wishing for the barn to burn for awhile for the P4P crap, so I really hope you're not playing us.
 
#92
#92
Supravol22 said:
Dude don't get my hopes up. I have been wishing for the barn to burn for awhile for the P4P crap, so I really hope you're not playing us.
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He just pasted a swath of a writeup that's been kicking around for 3 months now. Nothing new.
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#94
#94
Supravol22 said:
Yeah I read it a long time ago, just hoping someone had heard something new.
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I did hear something new. My guy told me that the NCAA has the goods on Auburn in the Cam Newton situation. Mike Slive is getting hammered by several SEC schools for sitting on the information sent up by Miss St.

Since there is other stuff going on that requires the Feds, nothing has come out about it yet.
 
#96
#96
I want to believe you're telling the truth but there's so much of "my source said this, or my guy told me this" that I don't believe much of anything without credible proof.
 
#97
#97
I remember when Terry resigned, Bobby was asked about it. Bobby said what the AD was doing was wrong and if people knew the truth they'd understand why he suddenly resigned. Makes sense now if this is true.
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