Ayn Rand and Christianity - how do you make them fit together?

#51
#51
I got neices and nephews who were taught by their mom to ask for handouts from family members who they thought "had it". They would not offer to lift a finger in return. They would not contact you for any other reason. They would use their money as they saw fit on material things.

On one occasion one neice told me during a stern discussion she only contacts me to ask for stuff otherwise she has no interest in talking to me. She's now in her late 20's, college dropout, 3 kids, 3 baby daddies, and probably still living in some delusion about life and still has no self awareness.

Another neice, I would pick up from college and drive 3 hours back and forth when she wanted to go home. One day she tells her mother, uncle always trying to give me advice but I don't want to hear it.

Her mother shared it with me because she is like minded. Her daughter only wanted the ride. She didn't want advice.

Some people think you just owe them something for nothing. They grow up thinking they can just take, take, take or if you have more then they look at you as their meal ticket. They have no idea about how life really works. It creates a victim. People who have fragile egos and get upset with others success unless they can use it to their advantage. Disparage one in favor of the other.

Sometimes those conversations don't come easy. Unless Rand speaks on the background of the interpersonal relationship between her and her neice then we don't know all the conflict involved in this particular letter. I've never heard of this particular writting to her neice until now.

You have people bely helping them understand responsibility, self reliance, humility, respect but sometimes that happens through hard lessons.

Unless you have experience in understanding then you are often befuddled by things that appear to be common sense to others.
 
#53
#53
Then why choose Rand for this discussion when there are clearly hundreds of other authors to critique their Christianity

Because hers is the sickness that has taken more of my brothers and sisters in Christ out of communion than the others.
 
#54
#54
Copy.
And.
Paste.
Where.
I
Called.
You.
Out.
By.
Name.

Hiding…cowering. It’s really sad. You and I both know the last conversation you had on this board regarding your misunderstandings of Ayn Rand, was about your false assertion that she was “the biggest hypocrite ever”

You have now made your own thread about false ideas of her philosophy and have ran and hid multiple times from addressing your mischaracterization of her views
 
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#55
#55
Hiding…cowering. It’s really sad. You and I both know the last conversation you had on this board regarding your misunderstandings of Ayn Rand, was about your false assertion that she was “the biggest hypocrite ever”

You have now made your own thread about false ideas of her philosophy and have ran and hide multiple times from addressing your mischaracterization of her views

So you can't.
 
#58
#58
You also seem to be completely misunderstanding Rand if you believe she sees “accumulation of wealth” as the primary goal in life.

In The Fountainhead her main character intentionally makes decisions throughout the book that cost him money, because he would rather remain true to himself.

In Atlas Shrugged the main characters leave all their worldly possessions behind to start their own society.

Instead of reading opinions on Rand, you should start with her actual works. Specifically those two

@AshG It’s amazing how you don’t have time to address the actual false premises of your argument but do have time for a petty argument over who you are referring to in the OP.
 
#59
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@AshG It’s amazing how you don’t have time to address the actual false premises of your argument but do have time for a petty argument over who you are referring to in the OP.

You're expecting me to think like you. I don't.
 
#60
#60
Now can I help her with the groceries? She's getting upset waiting for my help.
 
#61
#61
You're expecting me to think like you. I don't.

I expect you to not run and hide. You waste 30 minutes crying about how you didn’t start this thread because of me, as a means of avoiding addressing the actual arguments.

Then when I call you out on that, you cry about how you have family responsibilities. Spend less time running and more time engaging, and you’ll be able to do both. Free advise. You’re welcome
 
#62
#62
May I have permission to help my wife with the groceries? It'll only take a minute, sir.

As many times as you’ve typed this, you could’ve used that time to respond to actual arguments. I couldn’t imagine spending 30 on VN crying about how I don’t have time to defend my arguments on VN.
 
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As many times as you’ve typed this, you could’ve used that time to respond to actual arguments. I couldn’t imagine spending 30 on VN crying about how I don’t have time to defend my arguments on VN.

Never cried. Show me video.
 
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#65
You're proving my point with every post that attacks me for running, hiding, crying, etc. You can't let go of Objectivism. You have a created for yourself a reality in which I am some trembling husk behind a keyboard who is both afraid and unable to go toe to toe with you.

The first rung of objectivity is mysticism. Your experience with the world is your reality, whether or not it is what actually exists.

The second rung of objectivity is epistemology. You see everything you are saying as right because it is the reality you have created in your head. This becomes your manifestation of reason.

You are quite clearly living out the pyramid of self.
 
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I thought you didn’t have time for this? Do you intend on addressing any actual arguments or lying about your lack of time?

I'll respond to you when and how I wish. Keep protesting and I'll take longer.
 
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You're proving my point with every post that attacks me for running, hiding, crying, etc. You can't let go of Objectivism. You have a created for yourself a reality in which I am some trembling husk behind a keyboard who is both afraid and unable to go you're to toe with you.

The first rung of objectivity is mysticism. Your experience with the world is your reality, whether or not it is what actually exists.

The second rung of objectivity is epistemology. You see everything you are saying as right because it is the reality you have created in your head. This becomes your manifestation of reason.

You are quite clearly living out the pyramid of self.

Do you have time right now or not? If you have time, you should start by addressing the multiple things you've gotten wrong about objectivism.

Odd you also accuse me of being unable to let go of objectivism while also saying you didn't start this thread with me in mind. Once again, who did you have in mind? You specifically said in the OP you had someone in mind. Who?
 
#68
#68
I'll respond to you when and how I wish. Keep protesting and I'll take longer.

This is really pathetic. You get that right?

Ash-"I don't have time to address your actual points, but I have plenty of time to complain about you expecting me to address your points"
 
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You so want this to be about you. The third rung of Objectivism is ethics, in which one manifests their relationship with others through self-interest. The ego. Self centrism.

I'm going to grade some papers. I'll be back when I feel like it.
 
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You so want this to be about you. The third rung of Objectivism is ethics, in which one manifests their relationship with others through self-interest. The ego. Self centrism.

I'm going to grade some papers. I'll be back when I feel like it.

I am certain you won't be willing to engage or have any kind of reasonable argument about obejectivism and christianity at that point either. But maybe I'll be wrong and you'll impress me.
 
#75
#75
First, you don't have to agree with every single aspect of someone's worldview to acknowledge what they got right.

Second, Your interpretation of Rand is a caracateur of Objectivism. I'll help.

* compelled altruism is NOT altruism
* compelled sacrifice is not moral
* rational self interest (not the same as selfishness) is moral
* weakness is not virtue
* a man's purpose is to contribute

She is not a Christian, but there is nothing about Objectivism at odds with the main tenants of Christianity.

Maybe my brain is failing me in my old age, but I'm almost 100% certain Rand's main character in Atlas spent pages destroying the broad concept of altruism.
 

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