Ayn Rand and Christianity - how do you make them fit together?

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Vol8188 said:
The difference is, I'm honest and I don't hide nor cower. You spent 24 hours evading the fact that you were wrong. You also spent a substantial amount of time pretending you did not have me in mind when you started while never answering who you had in mind.

Would you like to finally answer that one? Who did you have in mind when you started this thread?
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Jesus H Christ, it's not ****ing about you. damn.
 
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I also didn't hide nor cower. I have *gasp* a world beyond VolNation to attend to. Seriously. You believe what you want, but I'm telling you you're way off the mark with me.
 
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AshG said:
I also didn't hide nor cower. I have *gasp* a world beyond VolNation to attend to. Seriously. You believe what you want, but I'm telling you you're way off the mark with me.
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Yet you spent 24 hours responding to other things. You probably had 20 other responses while intentionally ignoring the fact that you misrepresented her views in your OP.

That's not because of your life outside of VN. That's because you were hiding and cowering. You had plenty of time to respond as shown by your numerous responses to other things.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You did state in the OP that you had members of this forum in mind. Who?
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I'm going to cool off from where you keep assuming and inappropriately mapping into me. I just pulled fish and chips out of the oven and need to feed the family.

I mean, if that's not cowering and hiding.
 
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When I was in high school (three-plus decades ago), I read all of Rand’s major works - started with The Fountainhead and went from there. I ended up doing a class paper contrasting the writings of Rand and the Apostle Paul. This thread made me think about that for the first time in years. I left Rand and her philosophies behind a long time ago.
 
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AshG said:
I'm going to cool off from where you keep assuming and inappropriately mapping into me. I just pulled fish and chips out of the oven and need to feed the family.

I mean, if that's not cowering and hiding.
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It is hiding and cowering because it would have taken far less time to simply state who you had in mind than it would to type the message you just typed.
 
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AshG said:
Because hers is the sickness that has taken more of my brothers and sisters in Christ out of communion than the others.
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Ayn Rand is not what is the major (or even remotely major) cause of backsliding Christians or those that are walking away from the faith. Hell, you only have a certain segment of the general population that have even heard of her, much less know her philosophy and writings.
 
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AshG said:
You know everything, don't you?
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I know it doesn’t take long to type a screen name. Apparently you don’t know that and believe it takes far longer than all the replies you’ve provided while lying and claiming you don’t have time
 
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AM64 said:
Two things that baffle me - usually made by the young and impressionable - there are others, of course.

Why pay an excessive amount for a dress (or similar) to be used once, or why pay for a lavish wedding that's going to set back chances of success?

Why pay through the nose for an education that is unlikely to ever pay for itself?
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Those are the values that their parents and society have given them. We are a materialistic/superficial society for the most part.
 
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I'm done. I'm washing my hands of this and seeking atonement. I failed by becoming emotional. I failed by engaging in the first place. I failed by allowing myself to feel emnity towards someone.


Lots to work on within myself. Time to take an extended break.
 
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AshG said:
But for Rand's definition of appropriate altruism - do only for those you feel deserve it, to the least extent possible, and with self preservation always at the front of mind - I still find it wholly incompatible with the Christian ethos.
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Matthew 7:6
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
 
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AshG said:
I'm done. I'm washing my hands of this and seeking atonement. I failed by becoming emotional. I failed by engaging in the first place. I failed by allowing myself to feel emnity towards someone.


Lots to work on within myself. Time to take an extended break.
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Jesus. Instead of trying to be emotional, try coming down off your fake cross and not to be hypocritical in these threads you start when you pretend to be intellectual and neutral
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You see that immigrants (outside of the Western countries) that come here value family and are able to delay gratification for a better opportunity later far more than you see native born Americans.
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And in the societies that those immigrants come from? You believe that goes for those countries as well?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You see that immigrants (outside of the Western countries) that come here value family and are able to delay gratification for a better opportunity later far more than you see native born Americans.
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What is one of the primary drivers of coming here?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Jesus. Instead of trying to be emotional, try coming down off your fake cross and not to be hypocritical in these threads you start when you pretend to be intellectual and neutral
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Thread summary:

"Hey guys, here's some misrepresentations of Rand's views that I don't think are compatible with Christianity. I bring this up because of 'some viewpoints on here'."

Followed by about 30 replies of

"Well, I obviously don't have time to address my misrepresentations or whose viewpoints I was thinking of"

And then

"I'm done here!"


The sad part of all of this is if he would have simply admitted he misunderstood her arguments (I'm sure I've misunderstood philosophical arguments in the past) and been honest about things, he would have never got himself so worked up and this could have been a useful and interesting conversation for all of us. Instead he decided to hide by constantly claiming he didn't have time to address any of the issues while constantly replying about how he didn't have time.

If he could've simply admitted those things instead of wasting everyone's time, I would have some respect for him.
 
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allvol123 said:
What is one of the primary drivers of coming here?
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A better life and more opportunities. I see where you are trying to go with this, but they behave (in general, obviously there are exceptions) more frugally and don't usually get caught up in the materialism until they assimilate more.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Thread summary:

"Hey guys, here's some misrepresentations of Rand's views that I don't think are compatible with Christianity. I bring this up because of 'some viewpoints on here'."

Followed by about 30 replies of

"Well, I obviously don't have time to address my misrepresentations or whose viewpoints I was thinking of"

And then

"I'm done here!"


The sad part of all of this is if he would have simply admitted he misunderstood her arguments (I'm sure I've misunderstood philosophical arguments in the past) and been honest about things, he would have never got himself so worked and this could have been a useful and interesting conversation for all of us. Instead he decided to hide by constantly claiming he didn't have time to address any of the issues while constantly replying about how he didn't have time.

If he could've simply admitted those things instead of wasting everyone's time, I would have some respect for him.
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For a poster who constantly preaches no othering, no political motives, fair intellectual debates with facts, and logical thinking, he constantly struggles with realizing he does the opposite waaay too much.

I think ash is a decent guy, he’s just misguided and his arguments are emotional and biased and he can’t rationalize the hypocrisy in his head
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A better life and more opportunities. I see where you are trying to go with this, but they behave (in general, obviously there are exceptions) more frugally and don't usually get caught up in the materialism until they assimilate more.
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Parents do, kids less so.
 
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