‘23 AZ TE Duce Robinson

#76
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
I am curious why you think Georgia would outbid us if we really wanted someone enough.
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I agree. I don't think it is a matter of outbidding them, but more of what we have to offer in both sports.

Tony V is a plus in baseball > Georgia

and Milton/Nico are a plus in football > Georgia.

In Football, Georgia will have a difficult time filling Bennett's shoes the first year.
In Baseball, Georgia does not compare to Tennessee --- Coaching and Team Ranking (TN will Always be in the Hunt with Tony V)
 
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#77
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Fullfillmer said:
First Georgia has been leading in his recruitment for a while. As a casual observer it appears that the schools (not schools) groups with the most liquid NIL funds seem to be
Miami, the two Texas schools, Georgia and Alabama. I would put us perhaps in the next tier -- 7 to 12 ish. I am sure Southern Cal, Notre Dame and Ohio State and others are up there.

We lost a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State partially or largely because our NIL wasn't as competitive or as complete a package as the one offered by Ohio State.

I also realize decisions are not 100 percent driven by NIL money, and we wanted and successfully recruited NICO so there is that, but we don't have a war chest to compete with every school every time.
It was also reported that Georgia was bidding big money to lure NC's starting qb into the portal - so there are a lot of moving pieces these days.
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You’re fully misunderstanding things. Recruiting success and NIL money are not the same. Many of these schools (Bama, Georgia, Oh St) are getting results without having to pay upfront (at least not as much)
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re fully misunderstanding things. Recruiting success and NIL money are not the same. Many of these schools (Bama, Georgia, Oh St) are getting results without having to pay upfront (at least not as much)
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Actually, if you think Bama, UGA, and OSU have not been paying players then you are the one misunderstanding things. It is legally called NIL this year.
 
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onevol74 said:
Actually, if you think Bama, UGA, and OSU have not been paying players then you are the one misunderstanding things. It is legally called NIL this year.
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No one is claiming NIL isn’t a thing. I literally mentioned NIL in my post that you responded to. Nor am I talking about players as much as recruits. Players have openly admitted to taking less to play there and their staff has admitted they’re hesitant to offer large amounts to hs kids
 
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Fullfillmer said:
First Georgia has been leading in his recruitment for a while. As a casual observer it appears that the schools (not schools) groups with the most liquid NIL funds seem to be
Miami, the two Texas schools, Georgia and Alabama. I would put us perhaps in the next tier -- 7 to 12 ish. I am sure Southern Cal, Notre Dame and Ohio State and others are up there.

We lost a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State partially or largely because our NIL wasn't as competitive or as complete a package as the one offered by Ohio State.

I also realize decisions are not 100 percent driven by NIL money, and we wanted and successfully recruited NICO so there is that, but we don't have a war chest to compete with every school every time.
It was also reported that Georgia was bidding big money to lure NC's starting qb into the portal - so there are a lot of moving pieces these days.
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Source? Assume you're talking about Carnell Tate and OSU was also his dream school. Also, who knows, maybe CJH and Co didn't want him as bad as folks here seem to believe. Very few people are privy to all of this info so what you get is a bunch of speculation.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re fully misunderstanding things. Recruiting success and NIL money are not the same. Many of these schools (Bama, Georgia, Oh St) are getting results without having to pay upfront (at least not as much)
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I don't follow it closely, It's not an exact science and I am not inferring up front money - however,
you can't dispute that Texas a and m recruiting last year, Miami recruiting this year are largely a result of NIL money.

As it relates to us,

You can make a case for losing a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State
a 5 star OL this year to Miami
a 5 star DL last year to Texas A and M

NIL played a part in all of those imo.
 
#82
#82
KptVFL said:
Source? Assume you're talking about Carnell Tate and OSU was also his dream school. Also, who knows, maybe CJH and Co didn't want him as bad as folks here seem to believe. Very few people are privy to all of this info so what you get is a bunch of speculation.
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Again, don't follow it by the minute, don't work in recruiting in the AD, but understood that he was a Tennessee lean and our NIL package wasn't as strong as Ohio States. I am not sure how many 5 star receivers CJH doesn't like or want, but am thinking that is a tiny list. Of course this involves speculation, wasn't aware I had to have a footnote posted with my comments on Volnation.

******** The comments of Fullfillmer may or may not contain some speculation on his part - please read with appropriate caution.
 
#83
#83
Fullfillmer said:
I don't follow it closely, It's not an exact science and I am not inferring up front money - however,
you can't dispute that Texas a and m recruiting last year, Miami recruiting this year are largely a result of NIL money.

As it relates to us,

You can make a case for losing a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State
a 5 star OL this year to Miami
a 5 star DL last year to Texas A and M

NIL played a part in all of those imo.
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Those two specifically, yes. Those two programs in those specific years were known for mass spending. Georgia, Bama, and OH St have been more conservative. Probably because they can “afford” (bad pun I know) to
 
#84
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Fullfillmer said:
First Georgia has been leading in his recruitment for a while. As a casual observer it appears that the schools (not schools) groups with the most liquid NIL funds seem to be
Miami, the two Texas schools, Georgia and Alabama. I would put us perhaps in the next tier -- 7 to 12 ish. I am sure Southern Cal, Notre Dame and Ohio State and others are up there.

We lost a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State partially or largely because our NIL wasn't as competitive or as complete a package as the one offered by Ohio State.

I also realize decisions are not 100 percent driven by NIL money, and we wanted and successfully recruited NICO so there is that, but we don't have a war chest to compete with every school every time.
It was also reported that Georgia was bidding big money to lure NC's starting qb into the portal - so there are a lot of moving pieces these days.
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Georgia already has two of the top 10 TEs in this cycle.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Again, don't follow it by the minute, don't work in recruiting in the AD, but understood that he was a Tennessee lean and our NIL package wasn't as strong as Ohio States. I am not sure how many 5 star receivers CJH doesn't like or want, but am thinking that is a tiny list. Of course this involves speculation, wasn't aware I had to have a footnote posted with my comments on Volnation.

******** The comments of Fullfillmer may or may not contain some speculation on his part - please read with appropriate caution.
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Weird. This is not how I remember the story. First of all, Carnell Tate said previously that Ohio State was his dream school. Second, Tate was leaning Tennessee because we were offering a better NIL deal. Ryan Day gave a speech asking boosters to help out more with NIL and that's when they upped their offer for Tate. And not once did I hear that their offer blew ours out of the water. What I heard was they were able to more evenly match what we were offering. So, equal NIL, his dream school, plus they were selling their recent success at putting WRs in the NFL.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Those two specifically, yes. Those two programs in those specific years were known for mass spending. Georgia, Bama, and OH St have been more conservative. Probably because they can “afford” (bad pun I know) to
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Well if you have been number 1 or number 2 or number 3 in the nation in recruiting each of the last 10 years ...... you can be a little more conservative I guess. :) I know Georgia apparently has a strong strip club program working for them.
 
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Weezer said:
Weird. This is not how I remember the story. First of all, Carnell Tate said previously that Ohio State was his dream school. Second, Tate was leaning Tennessee because we were offering a better NIL deal. Ryan Day gave a speech asking boosters to help out more with NIL and that's when they upped their offer for Tate. And not once did I hear that their offer blew ours out of the water. What I heard was they were able to more evenly match what we were offering. So, equal NIL, his dream school, plus they were selling their recent success at putting WRs in the NFL.
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My recollection was that he was a Tenn lean, the NIL offers were comparable and competitive, his attorneys felt Ohio States NIL offer maybe had more substance legally or was more complete. I don't follow recruiting on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. See my other caveats.
 
#92
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Fullfillmer said:
My recollection was that he was a Tenn lean, the NIL offers were comparable and competitive, his attorneys felt Ohio States NIL offer maybe had more substance legally or was more complete. I don't follow recruiting on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. See my other caveats.
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When all things were equal, Ohio State was his dream school. He grew up a Buckeye fan.
 
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#93
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Fullfillmer said:
I don't follow it closely, It's not an exact science and I am not inferring up front money - however,
you can't dispute that Texas a and m recruiting last year, Miami recruiting this year are largely a result of NIL money.

As it relates to us,

You can make a case for losing a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State
a 5 star OL this year to Miami
a 5 star DL last year to Texas A and M

NIL played a part in all of those imo.
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You are going to have to take that NIL talk up with Nolen. He came out and said if it was just about NIL he would have been at UT.

Walter Nolen responds to rumors of NIL money playing a factor in his college decision
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I don't follow it closely, It's not an exact science and I am not inferring up front money - however,
you can't dispute that Texas a and m recruiting last year, Miami recruiting this year are largely a result of NIL money.

As it relates to us,

You can make a case for losing a 5 star wr this year to Ohio State
a 5 star OL this year to Miami
a 5 star DL last year to Texas A and M

NIL played a part in all of those imo.
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Texas and Texas A&M have more money than almost anyone to throw at players. Bama, Ohio State aren’t as well off in NIL money as you would think. Other than maybe Oregon, there aren’t many schools that are going to compete with Texas and Oklahoma schools.
 
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#97
DaddyChad said:
Texas and Texas A&M have more money than almost anyone to throw at players. Bama, Ohio State aren’t as well off in NIL money as you would think. Other than maybe Oregon, there aren’t many schools that are going to compete with Texas and Oklahoma schools.
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Bama's reputation is likely to take a hit with the dominance of UGA and the resurgence of UT and AU. When Saban retires, they will be much more dependent on NIL, which really isn't their strong suit. While they were fine with cars and cash, there really isn't enough wealth in the state to compete with top NIL programs long term. One predicts Bama's demise at their peril, but from a purely demographic perspective, the trend is likely down over the long term.
 
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Vol8188 said:
No one is claiming NIL isn’t a thing. I literally mentioned NIL in my post that you responded to. Nor am I talking about players as much as recruits. Players have openly admitted to taking less to play there and their staff has admitted they’re hesitant to offer large amounts to hs kids
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NIL does tend to level the playing field for the schools who did not pay as muck to as many as Alabama, Ohio State Georgia, etc. have paid in the past. Maybe in a few years, a cap may be -laced on how much NIL $$$ can be spent by schools each year.
 
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