Bad 2 days after SOTU

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lawgator1 said:
That's the big debate down here in the Orlando-Tampa corridor. Right now, only reasonable path is I-4, which despite being 3-4 lanes in both directions is often a parking lot for sometimes hours on end for about a 50 mile drive. State and counties been bouncing back and forth on it.

I say, like most people I think, that we really do need it. But, the reality is that unless it is done such that there are easy options for public transportation springing off of it then no one will use it.

Unless you work right next to a station, you're screwed. And the area is so spread out that everyone needs a car to be able to pick up laundry, go to the grocery, run errands, etc.

They put in light rail in South Florida, from West Palm to Miami. On game days at Joe Robbie Stadium they get decent ridership because people can leave their cars in West Palm, spare themselves the white knuckle drive on I-95 or the turnpike with all of the uninsured lunatics out there, and save a lot on parking at the stadium.

Otherwise, when the train passes, you sit there and watch empty car after empty car go on by.
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the problem as usual is politics. it's like LA's subway system. does it go along the 405 or 10 (busiest freeways in teh world)? nope. instead it goes into the ghetto because the politicians didn't want the political backlash of only putting in the rich neighborhoods. as i said earlier. they are spending $6 bil to build a useless one between san francisco and los angeles when what is really needed is one between LA and vegas and LA and san diego. why? because the northern california politicians *****ed.
 
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droski said:
the problem as usual is politics. it's like LA's subway system. does it go along the 405 or 10 (busiest freeways in teh world)? nope. instead it goes into the ghetto because the politicians didn't want the political backlash of only putting in the rich neighborhoods. as i said earlier. they are spending $6 bil to build a useless one between san francisco and los angeles when what is really needed is one between LA and vegas and LA and san diego. why? because the northern california politicians *****ed.
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I will say that I found the "Coaster" pretty handy to go to downtown San Diego from Encinitas. Not something I would do on any regular basis though.

Being allowed to drink alcohol was a big plus :)


The larger point from both yours and LGs examples is that it requires major behavioral change; particularly since we are so suburb heavy in this country. It is definitely not a case of 'build it and they will come'
 
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#29
tigervol9802 said:
Did he make mention of where all said monorail would cover?
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Something like 80% of the population :blink:

Within 25 years, our goal is to give 80% of Americans access to high-speed rail, which could allow you go places in half the time it takes to travel by car. For some trips, it will be faster than flying — without the pat-down. As we speak, routes in California and the Midwest are already underway.”
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so is he saying there will be no security for high speed rail?
 
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BeecherVol said:
To be fair. They are just words that everyone wants to hear. Which are typical from a politician on that stage.

I love to talk about fishing, but love to fish much more.
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Amen, Brother! :rock::yes::thumbsup::salute:
 
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#38
volinbham said:
So Tuesday night we heard vague ideas about winning the future and nothing concrete about addressing current pressing problems (jobs and debt).

Yesterday we hear:

1) CBO projects deficit to be 1.5 trillion for 2011 - a substantially higher number than previously expected.

2) The chief actuary for Medicare testified that Obamacare won't lower costs and violates the "if you like your current plan you can keep it" pledge. Two big strikes against OC.

Today the job numbers show jobless claims up and suggest that the Fall bump likely was seasonal hiring rather than any true change in the trend.


So, the SOTU was a load of platitudes that ignored the real issues facing us. Why am I not surprised?
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Don't worry, at least we will have less CO2 emission. :eek:lol:
 
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#39
tigervol9802 said:
Right now in 2012 I'd support just about anyone that had a budget/economic plan and was ready to be hated by 2/3 of America to make the plan work.
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yep .. the cuts/adjustments in entitlements are going to be so painful that it's going to take a different breed of politician to fix the problems ... i.e. run on that platform and endure the outcry when
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Daddy Gee said:
yep .. the cuts/adjustments in entitlements are going to be so painful that it's going to take a different breed of politician to fix the problems ... i.e. run on that platform and endure the outcry when
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Even though I shudder at the thought, I am afraid to get get the debt a bit under control it's going to take a lot of cuts with at least some short-term tax increases.
 
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#41
I'll believe Obama is serious about alternative energy when he tells the Sierra Club and other enviro-nazis to stop getting in the way of building solar plants in the desert and wind farms off of Cape Cod.
 
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#43
MG1968 said:
I'll believe Obama is serious about alternative energy when he tells the Sierra Club and other enviro-nazis to stop getting in the way of building solar plants in the desert and wind farms off of Cape Cod.
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i love how obama praised china as having the largest solar power plant in teh world.
 
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droski said:
i love how obama praised china as having the largest solar power plant in teh world.
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and conveniently left out the fact that China builds more coal-fired plants in a year than the US does in a decade.

not to mention the ecological disaster that is the Three Rivers' Gorge Dam.
 
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MG1968 said:
no, but he made it sound as though China is some kind of leader in green energy, which it isn't.
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They're becoming a leader in energy, period, in all forms (except nuclear, which they seem to mostly just dabble in).
 
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