Bad 2 days after SOTU

#51
#51
I fail to see why touting a solar energy system, if its working efficiently, is a bad thing. This anti-China rhetoric, for the sake of just having a boogeyman, is becoming worrisome.
 
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#52
lawgator1 said:
I fail to see why touting a solar energy system, if its working efficiently, is a bad thing. This anti-China rhetoric, for the sake of just having a boogeyman, is becoming worrisome.
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it's not "anti-China" rhetoric, it's calling out your hero for not being completely honest about China's energy policy
 
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MG1968 said:
it's not "anti-China" rhetoric, it's calling out your hero for not being completely honest about China's energy policy
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Being "completely honest"? Had he spent more than 30 seconds on it, you'd claim he was obsessed with them, or in their hip pocket.

Or born there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Being "completely honest"? Had he spent more than 30 seconds on it, you'd claim he was obsessed with them, or in their hip pocket.

Or born there.
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leave those claims to joe or gs

in the context of energy policy, Obama is advocating the US shift completely away from sources such as coal, natural gas, and oil. These are cheap, efficient, and reliable sources of energy that technology can (and does) help make clean. His use of China as an example as a leader in alternative energy is flawed because China is rapidly expanding it's coal industry and is a huge market for oil.

Solar is very inefficient and in a country of over 1 billion people, it is definitely not the answer.
 
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volinbham said:
So Tuesday night we heard vague ideas about winning the future and nothing concrete about addressing current pressing problems (jobs and debt).

Yesterday we hear:

1) CBO projects deficit to be 1.5 trillion for 2011 - a substantially higher number than previously expected.

2) The chief actuary for Medicare testified that Obamacare won't lower costs and violates the "if you like your current plan you can keep it" pledge. Two big strikes against OC.

Today the job numbers show jobless claims up and suggest that the Fall bump likely was seasonal hiring rather than any true change in the trend.


So, the SOTU was a load of platitudes that ignored the real issues facing us. Why am I not surprised?
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Seasonal jobs? Nooooooooooo. You serious? You mean they tried to trick us?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I fail to see why touting a solar energy system, if its working efficiently, is a bad thing. This anti-China rhetoric, for the sake of just having a boogeyman, is becoming worrisome.
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Because:
energy_costs.jpg


Nuclear comes in the $0.02-$0.03 range.
 
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#59
Lumber, do you think that chart looked that way at the beginning of the mining of coal? Or oil? Or gas?

It takes some time, energy, and effort for the tech to improve to those points.

I'm not saying that solar is THE answer. I'm saying it would be idiocy to dismiss it at this point in time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lumber, do you think that chart looked that way at the beginning of the mining of coal? Or oil? Or gas?

It takes some time, energy, and effort for the tech to improve to those points.

I'm not saying that solar is THE answer. I'm saying it would be idiocy to dismiss it at this point in time.
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the cost gap is too great and it's not as though there hasn't been billions in research already.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not saying that solar is THE answer. I'm saying it would be idiocy to dismiss it at this point in time.
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how would it be idiocy? The size of the farms needed to generate adequate power is ridiculous. The others listed were pretty easy figure out they were useful on a large scale
 
#63
#63
obama also implied this was some sort of example as why china's economy was growing so fast which if flat out absurdity.
 
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#64
the text:

Meanwhile, nations like China and India realized that with some changes of their own, they could compete in this new world. And so they started educating their children earlier and longer, with greater emphasis on math and science. They’re investing in research and new technologies. Just recently, China became home to the world’s largest private solar research facility, and the world’s fastest computer.
 
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droski said:
the text:

Meanwhile, nations like China and India realized that with some changes of their own, they could compete in this new world. And so they started educating their children earlier and longer, with greater emphasis on math and science. They’re investing in research and new technologies. Just recently, China became home to the world’s largest private solar research facility, and the world’s fastest computer.
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it's easy to invest in that when the workers are gettiong peanuts for earnings.
 
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droski said:
it can take 10 years to actually get a nuclear plant built. major problem. in reality natural gas plants are probably the solution to our energy problems.
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I actually think it's a combo of different solutions including natural gas, nuclear, coal, oil, etc.
 
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#71
who was it who stopped any new nuke plants from being built? oh that's right, it's the marxist dems.. if those fools allowed us to build them back then, our energy needs would not be in the crisis it is today.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lumber, do you think that chart looked that way at the beginning of the mining of coal? Or oil? Or gas?

It takes some time, energy, and effort for the tech to improve to those points.

I'm not saying that solar is THE answer. I'm saying it would be idiocy to dismiss it at this point in time.
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It's completely idiotic to spend taxpayer funds on solar technology at this point in time, especially when cheap nuclear is on the table. All we hear about is Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, you'd think science has not advanced in the last 40 years.

I'm completely open to using 'green' technology when they are competitively priced with other forms of energy. But saying that we should build solar plants and wind farms and say how great it is when the price per KwH is over 15x more expensive than what we have currently is ludicrous.
 
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droski said:
it can take 10 years to actually get a nuclear plant built. major problem. in reality natural gas plants are probably the solution to our energy problems.
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Then they need to get started. I know my dad just did work on one in SC to get it going

tigervol9802 said:
I was hoping by now my general sarcastic tone was implied in posts such as that one. My bad.
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don't worry, I get you tigervol
 
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