Bad 2 days after SOTU

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Weezy said:
The real issues are the economics; particularly, natural gas being cheap, lower demand, and cloudy construction costs. Of course, I would love for the US to implement a socialized energy policy to develop jobs, but that might be a bit biased of me.
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I am free market oriented but am not sure that energy shouldn't be a federal mandate due to distribution and the strategic nature of it.

Socialism doesn't develop jobs very well. This would be more akin to why gov't builds and maintains roads.
 
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volinbham said:
So Tuesday night we heard vague ideas about winning the future and nothing concrete about addressing current pressing problems (jobs and debt).

Yesterday we hear:

1) CBO projects deficit to be 1.5 trillion for 2011 - a substantially higher number than previously expected.

2) The chief actuary for Medicare testified that Obamacare won't lower costs and violates the "if you like your current plan you can keep it" pledge. Two big strikes against OC.

Today the job numbers show jobless claims up and suggest that the Fall bump likely was seasonal hiring rather than any true change in the trend.


So, the SOTU was a load of platitudes that ignored the real issues facing us. Why am I not surprised?
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Piling on...

Social Security Will Post Shortfall This Year, CBO Says - WSJ.com
 
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lawgator1 said:
Obviously, storage is a long-term issue for the entire industry.

What I don't see is an iota of proof or even reasonable speculation that it makes a whit of difference right now to someone contemplating building a plant.

I mean, even the industry spokesman says its decades if not hundreds of years from being an issue and that they have plenty of time to come up with a solution.
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The point is that Obama has skirted support for the industry on the premise of waste storage.
 
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droski said:
it can take 10 years to actually get a nuclear plant built. major problem. in reality natural gas plants are probably the solution to our energy problems.
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That is because each new plant is totally designed from scratch. I believe France use a cookie cutter approach with smaller plants.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's the big debate down here in the Orlando-Tampa corridor. Right now, only reasonable path is I-4, which despite being 3-4 lanes in both directions is often a parking lot for sometimes hours on end for about a 50 mile drive. State and counties been bouncing back and forth on it.

I say, like most people I think, that we really do need it. But, the reality is that unless it is done such that there are easy options for public transportation springing off of it then no one will use it.

Unless you work right next to a station, you're screwed. And the area is so spread out that everyone needs a car to be able to pick up laundry, go to the grocery, run errands, etc.

They put in light rail in South Florida, from West Palm to Miami. On game days at Joe Robbie Stadium they get decent ridership because people can leave their cars in West Palm, spare themselves the white knuckle drive on I-95 or the turnpike with all of the uninsured lunatics out there, and save a lot on parking at the stadium.

Otherwise, when the train passes, you sit there and watch empty car after empty car go on by.
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That's because it's unreliable and slow. It's only faster in rush hour, and you can't depend on it not being 10 min late. It's just not worth the risk. That, and it only runs hourly for half the day.
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lawgator1 said:
What I don't see is an iota of proof or even reasonable speculation that it makes a whit of difference right now to someone contemplating building a plant.
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try getting a plant built and approved if you don't have the waste disposal already figured out. he's ensuring future development will be virtually impossible. are you going to OK a nuclear waste dump in your back yard?
 
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droski said:
try getting a plant built and approved if you don't have the waste disposal already figured out. he's ensuring future development will be virtually impossible. are you going to OK a nuclear waste dump in your back yard?
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No one is, but that didn't make a difference before, and ACCORDING TO INDUSTRY SPOKESMAN, shouldn't be an issue now.

Look, if you want to berate Obama for backing off of using Yucca Mountain because of Reid's power, and you want to be critical of that as political dealing, that's perfectly fine. I really don't know enough about it to say that it was the incorrect policy decision and just motivated by politics, or the correct one despite politics.

But arguing that people aren't building plants because of the decision about Yucca Mountain as the repository just is not born out by the facts.

The reality is that the cost of building and maintaining such a plant and producing the energy from it is still too high relative to the expense of fossil fuels. If you want to suggest lightening those costs by reducing regulation, I am sure that has been discussed.

But, I doubt either one of us wants the industry completely deregulated and so the question is which regulations are important and necessary to public health such that the cost is justified versus which aren't. Again, neither of us knows the industry well enough to comment on that.

For now, however, I still don't see deselecting Yucca Mountain as the real inhibitor to building new plants (they weren't building new ones when Yucca was the choice, either).
 
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The cost of construction material is not what it used to be either. That seems to be a recurrent theme from talks I've been to.
 
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NEOCON said:
We have. I was talking to my buddy at the Hatch plant and he said nuclear energy is so safe now it's not even a concern. He said its laughable that the left wants to make it look so scary. You say nuclear and people freak.
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Bump. Your buddy should calm Japan down. They're freaking.
 
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IPorange said:
Bump. Your buddy should calm Japan down. They're freaking.
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Japan is not freaking. They are dealing with an 8.9 earthquake that knocked the cooling system offline. There is no China syndrome that will occur and the plant appears to have minimal leakage. If this had of hit an oil station it would have caused much more eco damage.
 
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NEOCON said:
Japan is not freaking. They are dealing with an 8.9 earthquake that knocked the cooling system offline. There is no China syndrome that will occur and the plant appears to have minimal leakage. If this had of hit an oil station it would have caused much more eco damage.
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I've seen pictures of oil stations that the tsunami has destroyed.

There's also a second potential reactor meltdown as another reactor's cooling system has failed. I've read that in case of a meltdown, the radioactive isotopes will slide underground and be permanently sealed. Barring an explosion that sends fallout into the jet stream, Japan is at minimal risk. This is all from what I've gathered over the last hour, though.
 
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VOLatile said:
I've seen pictures of oil stations that the tsunami has destroyed.

There's also a second potential reactor meltdown as another reactor's cooling system has failed. I've read that in case of a meltdown, the radioactive isotopes will slide underground and be permanently sealed. Barring an explosion that sends fallout into the jet stream, Japan is at minimal risk. This is all from what I've gathered over the last hour, though.
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Yes. There will be some vapor but it is not going to be some sort of China Syndrome.
 
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NEOCON said:
Yes. There will be some vapor but it is not going to be some sort of China Syndrome.
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First time I've heard the term so I looked it up. No chance of this happening in any up-to-date facility if I understand correctly. They all have some sort of preventative measure for such thing.
 
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VOLatile said:
First time I've heard the term so I looked it up. No chance of this happening in any up-to-date facility if I understand correctly. They all have some sort of preventative measure for such thing.
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I'm not a nuke engineer. I'm not going to even pretend to be one. Everything I know is from what my buddy says. He mentioned ( if I remember correctly ) that plants used to be running positive and now plants run negative. Said the core burning into the middle of the earth is a fantasy. I haven't spoken about Japan with him but will probably tomorrow.
 
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NEOCON said:
I'm not a nuke engineer. I'm not going to even pretend to be one. Everything I know is from what my buddy says. He mentioned ( if I remember correctly ) that plants used to be running positive and now plants run negative. Said the core burning into the middle of the earth is a fantasy. I haven't spoken about Japan with him but will probably tomorrow.
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I'm not either, but 10 minutes on Wikipedia gives me everything I mentioned. I doubt they have an article in Conservapedia about nuclear reactors, though.
 
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They put in light rail in South Florida, from West Palm to Miami. On game days at Joe Robbie Stadium they get decent ridership because people can leave their cars in West Palm, spare themselves the white knuckle drive on I-95 or the turnpike with all of the uninsured lunatics out there, and save a lot on parking at the stadium.

Otherwise, when the train passes, you sit there and watch empty car after empty car go on by.
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Welcome to Houston.
 
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