bama don't deserve

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eloist said:
What does this even mean?
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Only because I like you.

My orange friend was lamenting the lopsided score against ND. History tends to treat teams on the overwhelming winning side with great respect and honor in the annals of college football championship lore.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yep. There was no one more deserving.

Or were you being sarcastic and suggesting that the point of the BCS was to match up the #1 and #2 team in the country as long as they haven't already played?
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To put it more simply, Oklahoma State should have been ranked #2.
 
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eloist said:
I personally would have much rather seen Bammers vs Ducks last year than Bammers vs the Catholics.

Not saying the Ducks were deserving, just saying I could smell the ND blowout 10 miles away. They had no hope.

I think the Ducks could have made it a game.
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ND beat several good teams last year. They earned their spot opposite the Tide.
 
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I hate Bama just as much as anyone but if it was just as easy as throwing money at the BCS to get a favorable schedule then why wouldn't a rich program like UT just do the same? Just saying.
 
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bamawriter said:
I keep asking:

Who do you think was more deserving than...

Alabama and Notre Dame?

Alabama and LSU?

Alabama and Texas?

If Alabama was not deserving of the NC, then surely you have someone in mind who was, and why.
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And we keep answering, you just aren't listening. Take off the Crimson colored glasses for a minute and accept that maybe Bama shouldn't have got to play LSU a second time.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Only because I like you.

My orange friend was lamenting the lopsided score against ND. History tends to treat teams on the overwhelming winning side with great respect and honor in the annals of college football championship lore.
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I suppose I'm on the wrong side of history then.

I knew that ND would get demolished. It was hilarious to me hearing ND fans talk trash. Bama was a hell of a team last year, no doubt. But I can honestly say the beat down they put on ND didn't make me respect them any more than barely pulling out that win against UGA.

In my opinion, the SECCG was the national championship last year. The ND game was an unfortunate formality that had to be fulfilled.
 
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eloist said:
I suppose I'm on the wrong side of history then.

I knew that ND would get demolished. It was hilarious to me hearing ND fans talk trash. Bama was a hell of a team last year, no doubt. But I can honestly say the beat down they put on ND didn't make me respect them any more than barely pulling out that win against UGA.

In my opinion, the SECCG was the national championship last year. The ND game was an unfortunate formality that had to be fulfilled.
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Unfortunate for Notre Dame, yes. Time will go on and specifics will fade, but 42 to 14 is forever.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Unfortunate for Notre Dame, yes. Time will go on and specifics will fade, but 42 to 14 is forever.
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No one will remember the score of that game, as no one cares.

They will remember the W, yes, but the score?
Come on.... lol
 
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Yeah that game was over at the end of the first quarter dude. Nobody, except for the players and refs watched the whole game.
 
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eloist said:
No one will remember the score of that game, as no one cares.

They will remember the W, yes, but the score?
Come on.... lol
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You care, you care a lot and you enjoy going to Walmart too, with the rest of us. Every time I think about that Oklahoma vs Southern Cal NCG, I think beat down. When I see that score, I understand why the sooners haven't been right since. Oh yeah, we remember.
 
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rjd970 said:
And we keep answering, you just aren't listening. Take off the Crimson colored glasses for a minute and accept that maybe Bama shouldn't have got to play LSU a second time.
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I was asking doubled's directly.

But to your point:

The idea that Oklahoma State had a significantly better resume than Alabama is skewed by the fact that the Big XII plays a round-robin schedule. In the end, the entire conference has a guaranteed average 4.5 wins. And the Big XII got incredibly fat off a terrible OOC slate.



Games vs BCS for Bama's SEC opponents (w/ year end rank and record in paren.):

Arkansas v. Texas A&M 42-38 (UR 6-6)
Florida v. Florida St 7-21 (#25 8-4)
Vanderbilt v. UConn 24-21 (UR 5-7)
Vanderbilt @ Wake Forest 41-7 (UR 6-6)
LSU v. Oregon 40-23 (#6 10-2)
LSU v. WVa 47-21(#22 9-3)
Auburn @ Clemson 38-24 (#20 9-3)

Bama's Best OOC Win: @ Penn St 27-11 (#23 9-3)


Games vs. BCS for OSU's Big XII opponents:

Texas A&M v. Arkansas 38-42 (#7 10-2)
Kansas @ Georgia Tech 24-66 (UR 8-4)
Texas @ UCLA 49-20 (UR 6-7)
Missouri @ Arizona St 30-37 OT (UR 6-6)
Kansas St @ Miami 28-24 (UR 6-6)
Iowa St v. Iowa 44-41 3OT (UR 7-5)
Iowa St @ UConn 24-20 (UR 5-7)
Oklahoma @ Florida St 23-13 (#25 8-4)

OSU's Best OOC Win: @ Tulsa (UR 8-4)


So yeah, OSU's opponents had better records than Bama's. They'd pretty much have to playing garbage OOC.
 
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bamawriter said:
I was asking doubled's directly.

But to your point:

The idea that Oklahoma State had a significantly better resume than Alabama is skewed by the fact that the Big XII plays a round-robin schedule. In the end, the entire conference has a guaranteed average 4.5 wins. And the Big XII got incredibly fat off a terrible OOC slate.



Games vs BCS for Bama's SEC opponents (w/ year end rank and record in paren.):

Arkansas v. Texas A&M 42-38 (UR 6-6)
Florida v. Florida St 7-21 (#25 8-4)
Vanderbilt v. UConn 24-21 (UR 5-7)
Vanderbilt @ Wake Forest 41-7 (UR 6-6)
LSU v. Oregon 40-23 (#6 10-2)
LSU v. WVa 47-21(#22 9-3)
Auburn @ Clemson 38-24 (#20 9-3)

Bama's Best OOC Win: @ Penn St 27-11 (#23 9-3)


Games vs. BCS for OSU's Big XII opponents:

Texas A&M v. Arkansas 38-42 (#7 10-2)
Kansas @ Georgia Tech 24-66 (UR 8-4)
Texas @ UCLA 49-20 (UR 6-7)
Missouri @ Arizona St 30-37 OT (UR 6-6)
Kansas St @ Miami 28-24 (UR 6-6)
Iowa St v. Iowa 44-41 3OT (UR 7-5)
Iowa St @ UConn (UR 5-7)
Oklahoma @ Florida St 23-13 (#25 8-4)

OSU's Best OOC Win: @ Tulsa (UR 8-4)


So yeah, OSU's opponents had better records than Bama's. They'd pretty much have to playing garbage OOC.
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The Big 12 was rated higher than the SEC that year.
I'm not arguing that OSU was more deserving by leaps and bounds; maybe the other poster is.
If it was anywhere close though, the nod should have gone go to the champion of a BCS league, not the team that lost its division on its home field.

It was terrible to give a division runner-up a bye to the NC game, especially when a case could be made that the Big 12, from top to bottom, was a stronger league that year.

And, yes, Tennessee was contributing to the deadweight at the bottom of the SEC in 2011.

If the season is a playoff, like so many people who hate the upcoming playoff like to claim, then Bama lost its bracket in 2011.
 
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ukvols said:
If the season is a playoff, like so many people who hate the upcoming playoff like to claim, then Bama lost its bracket in 2011.
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That's why I never liked the playoff argument. In a playoff, it doesn't matter who you beat, or by how much. You win, you move on; you lose, you're out. The playoff argument actually supports Bama going to the BCSNCG over OSU because Bama lost earlier, and to a better team.

As it is, the BCS never made conference championships a priority, which it shouldn't have since all conferences are not created equal. While the Big XII may have been "rated" higher than the SEC, it got that there by taking on a lousy OOC slate and playing a round robin in conference. An in-conference round robin guarantees a wash amongst all teams' conference records.
 
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ukvols said:
The Big 12 was rated higher than the SEC that year.
I'm not arguing that OSU was more deserving by leaps and bounds; maybe the other poster is.
If it was anywhere close though, the nod should have gone go to the champion of a BCS league, not the team that lost its division on its home field.

It was terrible to give a division runner-up a bye to the NC game, especially when a case could be made that the Big 12, from top to bottom, was a stronger league that year.

And, yes, Tennessee was contributing to the deadweight at the bottom of the SEC in 2011.

If the season is a playoff, like so many people who hate the upcoming playoff like to claim, then Bama lost its bracket in 2011.
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BCS poll believes in the eye test. Bama was just the better team. Bama plays okie lite, weeden is in a body bag by halftime. Under the 4 team playoff format that's coming, the eye test is still on. Enjoy!
 
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bamawriter said:
That's why I never liked the playoff argument. In a playoff, it doesn't matter who you beat, or by how much. You win, you move on; you lose, you're out. The playoff argument actually supports Bama going to the BCSNCG over OSU because Bama lost earlier, and to a better team.

As it is, the BCS never made conference championships a priority, which it shouldn't have since all conferences are not created equal. While the Big XII may have been "rated" higher than the SEC, it got that there by taking on a lousy OOC slate and playing a round robin in conference. An in-conference round robin guarantees a wash amongst all teams' conference records.
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Well, save in 2007 (when the media insisted they do so).

But that's beside the point; if anything it just points out the inconsistency in the direction/pressure/push sports media and ESPN put on the voters/polls each season.
 
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