Bama player appeared to hit woman as he left the field…

#53
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Someone needs to dig up that old video of Saban saying "If you hit a girl, you're off the team".

Edit: That was Spurrier, nevermind.
 
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GhostVol said:
While that's true, it's a facile argument to say "if someone hadn't done X then Y <bad thing> wouldn't have happened"

Her being on the field in no way excuses Burton actively reaching out and hitting her..... or the other guy he did it to.
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The question is: why do coaches receive an armed protection on the field? For safety, right?

Do players have a reasonable expectation of safety to take the field and leave the field? Can you throw crap from the stands at players? You can't.

Can you approach players? You can't.

It's a bitch move, for sure, the shove a woman but it's also a damn bad idea to approach a football player who just lost a huge game when thousands of hostile fans are storming the field around him.

As that dumbass found out in the NFL game recently, play stupid games win stupid prizes. IMO, if a fan runs onto the field, they assume the risk involved.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
I’d prefer he face the consequences for his actions and get any help he needs to grow and become a better person. He’s a person, not just a dadgum ole Bammer, bee-ruther!!
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I agree with you on this.
If he doesn’t ask or get help, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. First he has to admit he has a problem, then he has to ask for help and forgiveness. Time will tell if it happens or not……..
 
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GhostVol said:
While that's true, it's a facile argument to say "if someone hadn't done X then Y <bad thing> wouldn't have happened"

Her being on the field in no way excuses Burton actively reaching out and hitting her..... or the other guy he did it to.
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That's a Strawman argument though. Nobody is going to say that simply being on the field will justify being struck.

The argument will be that 5,000 people being on the field, all of them very excited and quite a few of them also drunk and screaming about "redemption", creates a hostile environment...and Is beyond the ability of UT security to provide for the safety of the visiting players. And that UT is at fault for failing to control this.

There is precedence for this perspective. Just this Sept 21, Texas Tech fans stormed the field and assaulted a visiting player (and are being fined). Video of Texas Tech fan pushing Texas player illustrates the risk of continuing to schedule the Red Raiders

And remember "Malice in the Palace?" IIRC, the Detroit law enforcement ultimately did NOT prosecute Pacers players because the Pacers could reasonably claim they were in legitimate fear for their personal safety after Pistons fans came into the court. And this was despite players going into the seats to beat the stuffings out of a number of fans.

This is also why cops escort visiting coaches off the field after games. Visiting teams can feel threatened by a mob pretty quickly.

I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted to be down on that field wearing an Alabama uniform after that buzzer sounded and people started pouring onto the field.
 
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Old Spice said:
so they just cover this up
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Neither TN, Alabama, not the SEC wants to know anything about injuries that might've happened when several thousand people mobbed a field, committed mass vandalism, etc.

Folks are rarely charged with simple assault for pushing someone in the middle of a riot.

Let's face it. Worse pushes and fights happen pretty often in the stands at football games. Rarely do people get more than tossed from the stadium unless they perform a beat down on someone.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Neither TN, Alabama, not the SEC wants to know anything about injuries that might've happened when several thousand people mobbed a field, committed mass vandalism, etc.

Folks are rarely charged with simple assault for pushing someone in the middle of a riot.

Let's face it. Worse pushes and fights happen pretty often in the stands at football games. Rarely do people get more than tossed from the stadium unless they perform a beat down on someone.
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this is true, but this was just a little different. not gonna comment further so arguments dont start.
 
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Old Spice said:
this is true, but this was just a little different. not gonna comment further so arguments dont start.
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I'm not going condone pushing a woman unless she's right up in your face taunting you in that situation..... and I don't think that was the case.

But the player didn't even appear to stop in either video. He was walking off and didn't want to be approached. I get it. NORMALLY, fans can't approach players like that after games and I've walked off fields with people yelling, booing, etc..... but never had them close enough I felt the need to or they got close enough to push them out of my way so I could leave the field.

It's a lousy situation when the field is mobbed because all kinds of crazy crap can happen like a mosh pit (had to text a young'un to get that because I couldn't remember the term.)

If you enter the pit, expect chaos. Don't complain if there's people jumping around and pushing.
 
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I thought things went pretty smoothly overall. Burton was being a jerk other than that everything went well considering what was going on the field. It was a wonderful sight, I sat in the stands and took it all in. Great night, going on the field like that doesn’t happen all the time. But 15 years of built up passion and being undefeated playing Bama undefeated the moment was warranted and was wonderful. I didn’t see any altercations many Bama fans said congrats. Some Bama fans even took it in too. A nice Alabama woman even took me and my friends picture right after the game. Quite a few Bama fans after the game came up and said great game you deserved it or great game you all are definitely back. I have been going to games since the mid 80’s the noise level by the fans stayed at a sustained high most of the game that I have never witnessed. The house stayed loud all night long. Even coming to the stadium the buzz in the air was loud and intense. I am glad I was there to witness it in person with my friends.
 
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VFL92 said:
Correct. If it went to a legal battle, while there’s certainly a case to be made vs Mr Burton, he (and the University of Alabama) could turn it right back around and say “Tennessee’s security team’s job is to protect the players on the field and ensure their safe exit and they failed to do that.” It’s not as black and white as we may want it to be.

In the end, everyone would lose in that scenario, and Tennessee would make sure that no one ever stormed the field again.
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I don’t think there is any legal justification for assaulting someone just because they are in your vicinity. The fact that the girl was on the field is legally irrelevant.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The question is: why do coaches receive an armed protection on the field? For safety, right?

Do players have a reasonable expectation of safety to take the field and leave the field? Can you throw crap from the stands at players? You can't.

Can you approach players? You can't.

It's a bitch move, for sure, the shove a woman but it's also a damn bad idea to approach a football player who just lost a huge game when thousands of hostile fans are storming the field around him.

As that dumbass found out in the NFL game recently, play stupid games win stupid prizes. IMO, if a fan runs onto the field, they assume the risk involved.
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What if he had choked the life out of her? Would that be ok? Should she have known the risk of her “stupid games”? Burton has no legal right to assault someone just because they get within 6 feet of him. We have a player facing a felony assault charge for allegedly hitting someone who, while drinking, illegally entered the apartment he was in.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
What if he had choked the life out of her? Would that be ok? Should she have known the risk of her “stupid games”? Burton has no legal right to assault someone just because they get within 6 feet of him. We have a player facing a felony assault charge for allegedly hitting someone who, while drinking, illegally entered the apartment he was in.
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He didn't even stop. Let's not play "What if he shot her???" That's dumb.

Deal with what happened. He appears to stiff arm her away from him like he does in the second video and not even break stride. I wouldn't have done that but I've seen worse shoves in Walmart on Black Friday, haven't you? And I've certainly seen worse shoves in or around Neyland when people get heated.

He's leaving the field where he has every right to be and a legit mob of people who don't like him and don't belong on the field suddenly rush the field. He doesn't try to run over anyone but he's not going to be bothered by anyone either.

I'd be right with you if he slugged someone and knocked teeth out but he didn't. He pushed and kept walking. He didn't pursue anyone. He didn't engage in a fight. He left the field and got people away from him.

One of the big arguments about Jaylan McCullough is that "he was in his house minding his own business and some drunk opened the door...... and he shouldn't have come in the wrong place." Arguably, the field is where the players are supposed to be, not the fans, so don't go on the field and expect good things to happen with the players. You aren't supposed to be there.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
He didn't even stop. Let's not play "What if he shot her???" That's dumb.

Deal with what happened. He appears to stiff arm her away from him like he does in the second video and not even break stride. I wouldn't have done that but I've seen worse shoves in Walmart on Black Friday, haven't you? And I've certainly seen worse shoves in or around Neyland when people get heated.

He's leaving the field where he has every right to be and a legit mob of people who don't like him and don't belong on the field suddenly rush the field. He doesn't try to run over anyone but he's not going to be bothered by anyone either.

I'd be right with you if he slugged someone and knocked teeth out but he didn't. He pushed and kept walking. He didn't pursue anyone. He didn't engage in a fight. He left the field and got people away from him.

One of the big arguments about Jaylan McCullough is that "he was in his house minding his own business and some drunk opened the door...... and he shouldn't have come in the wrong place." Arguably, the field is where the players are supposed to be, not the fans, so don't go on the field and expect good things to happen with the players. You aren't supposed to be there.
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It was unnecessary and could have been his way of trying to provoke someone to retaliate, it's not like he slugged her but he did initiate contact in both occasions.
 
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Boone&Crockett said:
It was unnecessary and could have been his way of trying to provoke someone to retaliate, it's not like he slugged her but he did initiate contact in both occasions.
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It was unnecessary, as was storming the field.

It's also not something players see often and expect so it's doubtful he had a "plan to provoke someone" or push anyone.

I see a molehill trying to be made into a mountain.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Neither TN, Alabama, not the SEC wants to know anything about injuries that might've happened when several thousand people mobbed a field, committed mass vandalism, etc.

Folks are rarely charged with simple assault for pushing someone in the middle of a riot.

Let's face it. Worse pushes and fights happen pretty often in the stands at football games. Rarely do people get more than tossed from the stadium unless they perform a beat down on someone.
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Yall live in a pansy PC world now. Sorry everyone knew risk. You get hurt on you. They had more security in endzone to try to stop it from happening. Bama player regardless if wasn't happy had no right to hit someone. He did it twice. I doubt in two instances the fans approached him. If the video is true of the girl, he should be punished. Im not sure it should be a life sentence either. Doesn't help him if he's trying to go pro though.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Neither TN, Alabama, not the SEC wants to know anything about injuries that might've happened when several thousand people mobbed a field, committed mass vandalism, etc.

Folks are rarely charged with simple assault for pushing someone in the middle of a riot.

Let's face it. Worse pushes and fights happen pretty often in the stands at football games. Rarely do people get more than tossed from the stadium unless they perform a beat down on someone.
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He didnt push her he swung at her arm extended as she passed by. There was no threat..... thats ********
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It was unnecessary, as was storming the field.

It's also not something players see often and expect so it's doubtful he had a "plan to provoke someone" or push anyone.

I see a molehill trying to be made into a mountain.
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Would you say the same if the roles were reversed? If a fan slapped a player?
 
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