Banks to NFL- opting out of Orange Bowl

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA didn't ruin it. Everything the courts passed did. Thank California courts for NIL. There's PLENTY of blame for the BCS BS...

The VERY Conservative Supreme Court could've overturned the California courts and voted 9-0 to confirm their opinion with the opinion being written by Justice Gorsuch, appointed by President Trump, and even a more scathing concurring opinion by Justice Kavanaugh, also a Trump appointee.

This wasn't a liberal-conservative issue. It was rooted in the anti-trust laws, nothing more.

 

[vol94]

it was an option for him since that is just a ceremony and no diplomas were given at that time. Final grades were not posted until after that ceremony so there were people that walked who did not know if they had passed classes or not to graduate. He was one of them

Banks actually was pretty certain he had not graduated but just wanted to walk anyway

FYI: This has been explained several times so I'm going to bold it and maybe everyone will see it.

Interesting. Things have changed over the yrs as most universities and colleges would not allow someone to walk unless the administration was confident the student was graduating. Why would a student “walk” if s/he wasn’t going to graduate?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Interesting. Things have changed over the yrs as most universities and colleges would not allow someone to walk unless the administration was confident the student was graduating. Why would a student “walk” if s/he wasn’t going to graduate?

The ceremony happens before final grades are in. It's not reasonable to expect the school to somehow poll all the professors for all the classes of all the students that apply to walk on whether they're all going to pass their class.

That would be absurd for a school like UT.

 

[LWSVOL]

Interesting. Things have changed over the yrs as most universities and colleges would not allow someone to walk unless the administration was confident the student was graduating. Why would a student “walk” if s/he wasn’t going to graduate?

there are many things Banks does and has done that are not explainable.

 

[b-ball fan]

Already answered earlier in the thread. Just bc you walk at ceremony doesn’t mean you have the requirements to graduate with a degree.

What is “graduate with a degree”? Can you graduate without a degree?

 

[TWilson]

The VERY Conservative Supreme Court could've overturned the California courts and voted 9-0 to confirm their opinion with the opinion being written by Justice Gorsuch, appointed by President Trump, and even a more scathing concurring opinion by Justice Kavanaugh, also a Trump appointee.

This wasn't a liberal-conservative issue. It was rooted in the anti-trust laws, nothing more.

Could have, as the 9th Circuit has, as of my last checking which was a few years back, roughly a 90% overturn rate. Sadly, that's not how it worked out. Now, that being said, there are fixes, but it'll require ALL conferences to give up some of their media money to essentially find a payroll for the schools. Josh Pate had a very good video on it if you'd like to find it on YouTube. I've really enjoyed listening to him the last few months of the season.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Could have, as the 9th Circuit has, as of my last checking which was a few years back, roughly a 90% overturn rate. Sadly, that's not how it worked out. Now, that being said, there are fixes, but it'll require ALL conferences to give up some of their media money to essentially find a payroll for the schools. Josh Pate had a very good video on it if you'd like to find it on YouTube. I've really enjoyed listening to him the last few months of the season.

With payroll comes employee status for players and unionization and collective bargaining for a nice piece of the TV revenue.

There's also the problem for non-revenue producing sports. How can the school argue that one scholarship athlete IS an employee and another isn't? With all athletes as employees, payroll will become more than smaller schools with far less TV revenue can endure.

Employee status likely marks the end of "lesser" sports at colleges and probably athletics at all in many schools. Employee status is a disaster.

 

[Allvols98]

NGL, I read the title and thought tim banks was going to the nfl.

 

[TWilson]

With payroll comes employee status for players and unionization and collective bargaining for a nice piece of the TV revenue.

There's also the problem for non-revenue producing sports. How can the school argue that one scholarship athlete IS an employee and another isn't? With all athletes as employees, payroll will become more than smaller schools with far less TV revenue can endure.

Employee status likely marks the end of "lesser" sports at colleges and probably athletics at all in many schools. Employee status is a disaster.

Well, seeing as the NCAA no longer controls football....

I mean, people talked crap on coaches claiming a co-national championship with Alabama a few years back. Well, technically, they do. The NCAA awards the national championship at the end of the regular season, and there are ties on occasion. What we've had with the BCS through now is nothing but extra football without NCAA jurisdiction. They could literally flip the rulebook over and get rid of stuff they don't like and add stuff in and there's nothing the NCAA can do. It's why I don't have an issue with these kids sitting out the postseason. They gain nothing for it other than accolades. It's why all awards are given out after the conference championships and before the bowl games.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Well, seeing as the NCAA no longer controls football....

I mean, people talked crap on coaches claiming a co-national championship with Alabama a few years back. Well, technically, they do. The NCAA awards the national championship at the end of the regular season, and there are ties on occasion. What we've had with the BCS through now is nothing but extra football without NCAA jurisdiction. They could literally flip the rulebook over and get rid of stuff they don't like and add stuff in and there's nothing the NCAA can do. It's why I don't have an issue with these kids sitting out the postseason. They gain nothing for it other than accolades. It's why all awards are given out after the conference championships and before the bowl games.

I agree and the NCAA rewrote their Constitution and has said that D1 will regulate itself now. The NCAA is tired of getting sued. They're going to let the D1 conferences get sued from now on as the "bad guys" to the courts.

Paying players from media revenue, directly from the conference or school, will surely turn the players into employees. The "student athlete" won't exist and it'll be G League/NFL Lite. At that point you could see guys 30+yo playing next to an 18yo.

There will be no way to force a player to attend school. They're employees and getting paid. It's pro sports. They'll need to create a draft, salary caps, etc etc.

Once they get paid by the schools, it's pro ball. Employee rights are MUCH different than the control a school has over a student.

 

[TWilson]

I agree and the NCAA rewrote their Constitution and has said that D1 will regulate itself now. The NCAA is tired of getting sued. They're going to let the D1 conferences get sued from now on as the "bad guys" to the courts.

Paying players from media revenue, directly from the conference or school, will surely turn the players into employees. The "student athlete" won't exist and it'll be G League/NFL Lite. At that point you could see guys 30+yo playing next to an 18yo.

There will be no way to force a player to attend school. They're employees and getting paid. It's pro sports. They'll need to create a draft, salary caps, etc etc.

Once they get paid by the schools, it's pro ball. Employee rights are MUCH different than the control a school has over a student.

100% correct. It'll be interesting once a season pay comes into play, because scholarships are still regulated by the NCAA, so they'll probably drop those and require the school to pick it up. Sadly, they won't. They'll pass it on to the kids, which they should be doing to anyone receiving NIL money anyways. Sorry, but your payment for playing is a free education that could be potentially worth in excess of $150k. Alas, it's rare they care about schooling and it's the reason they burn out. The smart ones get a degree and then move on knowing football won't be their life.

 

[TWilson]

NGL, I read the title and thought tim banks was going to the nfl.

We couldn't possibly be that lucky...

 

[Butch s]

And I'm telling you, I have already outlined that information in my past and even recent posts. After many VN experiences, I'm finally learning to not repeatedly rehash what I've already covered every time somebody asks the same question.

Still no answer to my question. Why do YOU think this

 

[Butch s]

it was an option for him since that is just a ceremony and no diplomas were given at that time. Final grades were not posted until after that ceremony so there were people that walked who did not know if they had passed classes or not to graduate. He was one of them

Banks actually was pretty certain he had not graduated but just wanted to walk anyway

FYI: This has been explained several times so I'm going to bold it and maybe everyone will see it.

The old participation trophy

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

100% correct. It'll be interesting once a season pay comes into play, because scholarships are still regulated by the NCAA, so they'll probably drop those and require the school to pick it up. Sadly, they won't. They'll pass it on to the kids, which they should be doing to anyone receiving NIL money anyways. Sorry, but your payment for playing is a free education that could be potentially worth in excess of $150k. Alas, it's rare they care about schooling and it's the reason they burn out. The smart ones get a degree and then move on knowing football won't be their life.

My concern is the smaller schools. They'll never have the budget for athletics to pay all the athletes and will shutter their programs. Not only will lots of athletes not get to play, they'll miss out on educational opportunities.

Schools like UT will be fine, though at least some non-revenue producing sports will likely get cut but a school like Tennessee Tech or Maryville will no longer get a big check for being someone's cupcake because there's zero incentive for ESPN to want to televise a massacre like that. The NBA, NFL, or MLB do not play cupcakes on national TV.

Scholarships could be a "perk" and part of the salary but on your own time...... no tutors, etc. As an employee, you have a job: condition, practice, and play ball. Period. Just like every other pro athlete.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

The ceremony happens before final grades are in. It's not reasonable to expect the school to somehow poll all the professors for all the classes of all the students that apply to walk on whether they're all going to pass their class.

That would be absurd for a school like UT.

When I graduated in 1961, the guy next to men opened his diploma cover and there was nothing there. He had failed his last exam and had to take the class again the next Quarter.

 

[GoVols64]

Enjoy the next few seasons Vols fans. The NIL is and will continue to change the landscape of college ball until, as others have noted, it is a pro sport. I believe there was a much better way to handle this by simply letting players sign independent deals with actual businesses and paying them for jersey sales etc. The collectives paying millions to a kid who has never played a down is insane (even if it brought Nico here).

Pandora's box is open. The transfer portal (which I agree with) + NIL will eventually change the game (all major sports that pay) beyond recognition.

As some point do schools even keep control of major sports in anything other than licenced use of name and logos?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Enjoy the next few seasons Vols fans. The NIL is and will continue to change the landscape of college ball until, as others have noted, it is a pro sport. I believe there was a much better way to handle this by simply letting players sign independent deals with actual businesses and paying them for jersey sales etc. The collectives paying millions to a kid who has never played a down is insane (even if it brought Nico here).

Pandora's box is open. The transfer portal (which I agree with) + NIL will eventually change the game (all major sports that pay) beyond recognition.

As some point do schools even keep control of major sports in anything other than licenced use of name and logos?

With NIL extending into high schools, it can easily get ugly. Not very many high school kids are going to get money.

Folks have remarked about jealously and some linemen letting a QB getting a bunch of money get nailed. High school kids are vicious, spiteful, balls of hormones on their best days. I can foresee teenage pettiness, even in practice, being an issue in high school.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Still no answer to my question. Why do YOU think this

I know the real game you're playing and opt to not participate. Been there, done that, over in the political forum. Homey don't play that.

 

[Delmar]

With NIL extending into high schools, it can easily get ugly. Not very many high school kids are going to get money.

Folks have remarked about jealously and some linemen letting a QB getting a bunch of money get nailed. High school kids are vicious, spiteful, balls of hormones on their best days. I can foresee teenage pettiness, even in practice, being an issue in high school.

But, but, but there are some folks around here who think these 18 year olds will handle things like this in a very adult and mature manner. They’ve evidently have never raised kids before. Heck, I know plenty of adults who get extremely petty and jealous over what others have. Football players will be no better at handling it.

 

[TWilson]

Enjoy the next few seasons Vols fans. The NIL is and will continue to change the landscape of college ball until, as others have noted, it is a pro sport. I believe there was a much better way to handle this by simply letting players sign independent deals with actual businesses and paying them for jersey sales etc. The collectives paying millions to a kid who has never played a down is insane (even if it brought Nico here).

Pandora's box is open. The transfer portal (which I agree with) + NIL will eventually change the game (all major sports that pay) beyond recognition.

As some point do schools even keep control of major sports in anything other than licenced use of name and logos?

Josh Pate, is that you?

 

[vols40]

My concern is the smaller schools. They'll never have the budget for athletics to pay all the athletes and will shutter their programs. Not only will lots of athletes not get to play, they'll miss out on educational opportunities.

Schools like UT will be fine, though at least some non-revenue producing sports will likely get cut but a school like Tennessee Tech or Maryville will no longer get a big check for being someone's cupcake because there's zero incentive for ESPN to want to televise a massacre like that. The NBA, NFL, or MLB do not play cupcakes on national TV.

Scholarships could be a "perk" and part of the salary but on your own time...... no tutors, etc. As an employee, you have a job: condition, practice, and play ball. Period. Just like every other pro athlete.

And with continual expansion to the stupid CFP teams are going to be less inclined to play those cupcakes.

 

[GoVols64]

Josh Pate, is that you?

LOL! Sadly no....