Barnes is over Uros

[SGMVols]

I really like Barnes, and I have been one of his biggest advocates since he became available after we fired Tyndall (I think that was the order, I could be wrong). I think it's fair to criticize his shortcomings in the NCAA tournament. His being better than most or all of UT's prior coaches doesn't really have anything to do with his underperforming in March. He's clearly good enough to get us dancing more years than not, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to address and critique his notable lack of success relative to roster makeup and regular season successes.

Because we have such a rich tradition of deep March runs lol

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Barnes is always going to be professional when he criticizes officials- it's his nature and demeanor. I went to bed, but I saw someone post that during a timeout late in the game, Barnes never addressed his team as he was on the court having a discussion with the officials the entire time. I am not sure what more you want.

I’d bet that Barnes got a little extra in on the refs at the end, but not to show them up or to direct a hissy fit at them. He’s giving them enough so that they’ll remember it well the next time they call one of his games. Telling them off just because he’s mad accomplishes nothing. Letting them know that he’s very unhappy with them without going ballistic earns respect that can be beneficial the next time they are assigned to call his game.

 

[DonDiego]

Barnes develops his relationships with refs over years. Decades actually. I don’t think it is too bright to throw away what he’s cultivated over a very long time in one game.

The calls were lopsided mostly because TN couldn’t match up with their bigs and fouling them was at times TN’s only defense. Every game will have a handful of questionable calls. It is magnified when final scores are close. I don’t agree with the refs not making the calls late when 2 of TN’s players were knocked to the court. But the camera angle wasn’t the same as the official’s perspectives and both teams have a right to chase loose balls. Just because one teams players aren’t as physical as the other team’s doesn’t mean that they should be the beneficiary of calls after collisions.

Do not agree---27 free throws to 10 is an absurd discrepancy. And it wasn't only the ignored fouls near the end of the game. Some of those first half charging calls where UA players stepped in front of an open driver were ridiculous. Refs are too often intimidated by large raucous crowds.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Because we have such a rich tradition of deep March runs lol

It sure would be nice to have one.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I really like Barnes, and I have been one of his biggest advocates since he became available after we fired Tyndall (I think that was the order, I could be wrong). I think it's fair to criticize his shortcomings in the NCAA tournament. His being better than most or all of UT's prior coaches doesn't really have anything to do with his underperforming in March. He's clearly good enough to get us dancing more years than not, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to address and critique his notable lack of success relative to roster makeup and regular season successes.

I agree.

The problem is about 90% if not higher of the people who start criticizing his tournament success aren't doing so in good faith or even have the capacity to have an actual discussion; it's just repeating a former coach's name as if that really helps their argument that much.

 

[OrangeInKy]

And coach needs to handle it behind closed doors.
When ask about it his response should be, we've addressed it. Next question.
This ain't the first time Barnes has called out players in public.
It's not a good look

I think Rick Barnes seems to know what he’s doing. Uros acted like a moron on national TV, costing his team dearly. His coach’s words are the least of the issues.

 

[tdd]

Everyone is too sensitive and needs a trophy. Geez. If Barnes wants to call out his players, I have no problem with it. Maybe they need to quit that **** or do better. I think some people on this thread is maybe too sensitive.

 

[Pride85]

Barnes doesn’t say anything in public that he hasn’t said privately to a player. I feel pretty certain that Barnes has discussed these issues with Uros before.

If I remember correctly, he discussed it with him quite forcefully at the bench when he yanked him out of the game. In this case, the actions of Uros warranted it. If anyone in the arena didn't get the point that Barnes was very angry over a stupid technical foul, they weren't paying attention.

 

[VAWL FAN]

I don't get airing player / team issues in public. Handle it coach, run him till he pukes. Sit him a couple of games.
Just stop calling out players in public.

Rick Barnes tired of Uros Plavsic's 'antics'

Good Lord.Uros is a big boy I'm sure he'll be alright.

 

[Pride85]

I don't get airing player / team issues in public. Handle it coach, run him till he pukes. Sit him a couple of games.
Just stop calling out players in public.

Rick Barnes tired of Uros Plavsic's 'antics'

It is a coach's prerogative to handle discipline as they see fit. He rarely calls out a player unless it is for something egregious and harmful to the team. Uros needs to play with passion but still use the grey matter between his ears.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Do not agree---27 free throws to 10 is an absurd discrepancy. And it wasn't only the ignored fouls near the end of the game. Some of those first half charging calls where UA players stepped in front of an open driver were ridiculous. Refs are too often intimidated by large raucous crowds.

But fouls called were 24 to 15. And Arizona attacked the rim while TN was settling for 3s. Phillips should have been drawing fouls but was nearly a no show.

 

[cncchris33]

And fans are tired of Rick failing to advance at the Big Dance.

 

[cncchris33]

Good points.

Something UT fans should keep in perspective before they start down the path Texas errantly took a few years ago.

Fans (human beings) are just wired to want more and more. There are Bama fans who want Saban to retire.

Barnes could make a F4 and we'd have fans complain that he didn't make the title game, and so on.

I grew up in the late 80s and 90s thinking 10 wins in football was my birthright. I took so much of that success for granted. But I also grew up through some rough basketball skids, so I certainly learned to appreciate success as I matured and got older and wiser. I know what it's like to not make an NCAAT for a decade and a half. I'm fine with raising expectations, but I've also seen that the grass isn't always greener.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

If Heupel had done to the same thing to one of his players, most of you would be praising him for it.

 

[cncchris33]

I really like Barnes, and I have been one of his biggest advocates since he became available after we fired Tyndall (I think that was the order, I could be wrong). I think it's fair to criticize his shortcomings in the NCAA tournament. His being better than most or all of UT's prior coaches doesn't really have anything to do with his underperforming in March. He's clearly good enough to get us dancing more years than not, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to address and critique his notable lack of success relative to roster makeup and regular season successes.

Sure it's fair. In a thread titled "Barnes Is Over Uros" isn't really the time or place, though. Criticizing Barnes's postseason success here just seems like an attempt to change the subject, or unnecessarily pile on by changing the argument to Barnes.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I really like Barnes, and I have been one of his biggest advocates since he became available after we fired Tyndall (I think that was the order, I could be wrong). I think it's fair to criticize his shortcomings in the NCAA tournament. His being better than most or all of UT's prior coaches doesn't really have anything to do with his underperforming in March. He's clearly good enough to get us dancing more years than not, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to address and critique his notable lack of success relative to roster makeup and regular season successes.

To be honest, he's won the SEC regular season title and then he won the SEC Tournament. He keeps competing for the SEC every year and recruiting top 10 classes and making the dance in March the success after that is sometimes about seeding, matchups, and a bit of luck (not facing teams shooting out of their mind from deep or having injuries).

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Sure it's fair. In a thread titled "Barnes Is Over Uros" isn't really the time or place, though. Criticizing Barnes's postseason success here just seems like an attempt to change the subject, or unnecessarily pile on by changing the argument to Barnes.

You're right.

On publicly calling out players, I would have never guessed anyone would have a problem with it. If Barnes were being over the top and just piling on the kids, then yeah, that would probably be inappropriate. The instances of publicly addressing Zeigler and Uros this season were not even worth discussion imo (in terms of them being appropriate or not).

 

[Majors]

Confusing times to be a Vol....

Banks suspended for SC....
fans, we need to know publicly
CJH- handled internally , no need to discuss it

Uros- doing Detroit Bad Boys
Barnes- I'm tired of his antics (in the paper)
fans- handle it internally and don't say anything publicly.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You're right.

On publicly calling out players, I would have never guessed anyone would have a problem with it. If Barnes were being over the top and just piling on the kids, then yeah, that would probably be inappropriate. The instances of publicly addressing Zeigler and Uros this season were not even worth discussion imo (in terms of them being appropriate or not).

What I find funny is in most of the cases that Barnes has publicly called out players, he's said things that fans have been saying about said player.

Now granted, I get a fan ranting and the HC saying something out loud are 2 different things, but it's just humorous to me that some of the fans say the same things if not worse about the players then clutch their pearls when Barnes says something.

And add to that apparently calling out a player whose antics hurt his team is bad, but not acting like a crazed gorilla towards the refs is also bad. I need a diagram to explain when Barnes is allowed certain ways and when he's not.

 

[cncchris33]

Confusing times to be a Vol....

Banks suspended for SC....

fans, we need to know publicly

CJH- handled internally , no need to discuss it



Uros- doing Detroit Bad Boys

Barnes- I'm tired of his antics (in the paper)

fans- handle it internally and don't say anything publicly.

LOL...I thought the same thing. Barnes is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in this situation. Fans want to know everything until they don't.

 

[VolGee4]

But fouls called were 24 to 15. And Arizona attacked the rim while TN was settling for 3s. Phillips should have been drawing fouls but was nearly a no show.

To be fair, Phillips got clobbered late in the first half with no call.

 

[Vol49er]

LOL...I thought the same thing. Barnes is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in this situation. Fans want to know everything until they don't.

I mean I think Heupel was right to keep things in house, but the situations aren't really comparable anyhow. Everyone sees what Uros does, no one needs to be told about it, while its a mystery what Banks did. I dont think its like some horrendous thing Barnes did, just dont see the utility in bagging on guys publicly. Some players have played better after he's done so, and maybe there is causation there, but I'm not so sure.

 

[lostsheep]

Fans (human beings) are just wired to want more and more. There are Bama fans who want Saban to retire.

Barnes could make a F4 and we'd have fans complain that he didn't make the title game, and so on.

I grew up in the late 80s and 90s thinking 10 wins in football was my birthright. I took so much of that success for granted. But I also grew up through some rough basketball skids, so I certainly learned to appreciate success as I matured and got older and wiser. I know what it's like to not make an NCAAT for a decade and a half. I'm fine with raising expectations, but I've also seen that the grass isn't always greener.

Couldn't agree more.
I remember thinking how cool it would be just to see Tennessee on the NCAA bracket. Now it's an annual thing and it's still not enough for some.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

To be fair, Phillips got clobbered late in the first half with no call.

No doubt Arizona got the better whistles. But that happens a lot when huge, packed arenas are rocking. I don’t think the refs were nearly as bad as many are claiming. But there are guys like TV Teddy that seem to get off on pissing off the raucous home crowds.

 

[cncchris33]

I mean I think Heupel was right to keep things in house, but the situations aren't really comparable anyhow. Everyone sees what Uros does, no one needs to be told about it, while its a mystery what Banks did. I dont think its like some horrendous thing Barnes did, just dont see the utility in bagging on guys publicly. Some players have played better after he's done so, and maybe there is causation there, but I'm not so sure.

I think the answer is in your last sentence, though. I'm certainly not implying you can't have an opinion, even a conflicting one, on the issue. I just think it's in everyone's best interest to faithfully assume that the head coach, who knows the players infinitely better than any of us, also knows which buttons to push to achieve a desired outcome.