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knowthevols said:
I hope that you realize that the governor serves at the behest of the people who elected him. And if he is not doing what you want then vote him out. Just because you don't like or want Pearl here doesn't mean the majority doesn't want him here.
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wanting/not wanting Pearl has nothing to do with it. Holding the Gov accountable for the UT bball coach is idiotic

voting is different than calling for his removal from office if the #onlypersonwhocanevercoachUTbball isn't rehired
 
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utvolpj said:
wanting/not wanting Pearl has nothing to do with it. Holding the Gov accountable for the UT bball coach is idiotic

voting is different than calling for his removal from office if the #onlypersonwhocanevercoachUTbball isn't rehired
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I'm not holding the gov accountable for Pearl, he's just an example. I'm want the system fixed that gave Cheek so much power to begin with, it needs to be returned to the days when Dickey was AD, and he answered to the board, not the University President. The gov can fix that, and if he won't then he should go too.
 
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gunner said:
I'm not holding the gov accountable for Pearl, he's just an example. I'm want the system fixed that gave Cheek so much power to begin with, it needs to be returned to the days when Dickey was AD, and he answered to the board, not the University President. The gov can fix that, and if he won't then he should go too.
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because Dickey did so much for basketball in Knoxville?
 
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utvolpj said:
wanting/not wanting Pearl has nothing to do with it. Holding the Gov accountable for the UT bball coach is idiotic

voting is different than calling for his removal from office if the #onlypersonwhocanevercoachUTbball isn't rehired
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The governor is chairman of the board of the University of Tennessee and the only way to remove him is to vote him out of office.
Sounds like you like and want to be governed by fiat and that a politician can do whatever they want once elected.
Until recently that was what we did when politicians didn't do what was in the best interest of their constituents.
 
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knowthevols said:
The governor is chairman of the board of the University of Tennessee and the only way to remove him is to vote him out of office.
Sounds like you like and want to be governed by fiat and that a politician can do whatever they want once elected.
Until recently that was what we did when politicians didn't do what was in the best interest of their constituents.
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and it sounds like you want a gov who is in the business of reinstating former employees to positions they were fired from (and barred from holding for 3 years by their governing body) for unethical behavior
 
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VKAman said:
Petrino interviewed at Auburn behind Louisville's back, and behind the back of the guy that gave him his start. He vanished from the Falcons without telling his players, and everyone knows about Arkansas. Louisville, check. Atlanta, check. Arkansas, check. Even Tuberville. All of them trusted in him, and all of them ended up looking silly for doing so.

With Pearl, you've got Deon Thomas, Daniel West, Pearl's wife, and the UT administration multiple times, all of which (except Thomas) happened within about 5 years. When there are people who predict as soon as you're hired that you'll betray the school's trust--and then they're right--it's more than just a random accident by the world's greatest man.
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Everything you listed with Petrino supports what I already stated - he can't be trusted to stick around.

Your really reaching with CBP.

Thomas was when he was an assistant at Iowa and has been debated to death whether CBP did anything wrong there.

I don't know why you list West as a reason CBP isn't capable of being trusted.

As for his wife, I guess no college coach who has not remained married to his first wife is ineligable for consideration at UT? I'm still maried to my teenage sweethart and I say CBP's marital relationship is his private business and nobody elses.

His major gaff was BBQ-gate / lying to admin and NCAA - then coming clean the next day. He was dead arse wrong and was punished harsly - way more harsly than comparable violations of late. He admitted his mistake and has served his punishment with class, taking 100% of the blame on himself.
 
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utvolpj said:
because Dickey did so much for basketball in Knoxville?
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True, but he didn't have to function in a world with hacks like Cheek telling him who to hire and fire. Dickey was an outstanding business man, and He did wonders for his department.

The problems that UT are facing right now are bigger than basketball. They need to give Hart the power Dickey once had to run his department like a separate business. The institution needs some oversight of the department, but not total control.
 
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utvolpj said:
It would be more like your wife stole the shoes and is caught on camera doing so. She then attempts to have the workers at the shoe store lie and say she was never there. When confronted she denies it is her on the tape and continues until she gets to court to face the charges.

had she admitted it up front she likely pays for the shoes and goes home. Instead she lied, went to court and now has the charges on her record
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Some may agree with your analogy? Either your example or mine doesn't end up with me in divorce court - maybe I'm more attached to my spouse than your are to yours? My point was the adultry analogy isn't comparable.
 
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gunner said:
True, but he didn't have to function in a world with hacks like Cheek telling him who to hire and fire. Dickey was an outstanding business man, and He did wonders for his department.

The problems that UT are facing right now are bigger than basketball. They need to give Hart the power Dickey once had to run his department like a separate business. The institution needs some oversight of the department, but not total control.
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Dickey ran UT basketball into the ground. Now you want the AD to have control just like he did for the good of the bball program? You're simply grasping at straws with that kind of logic
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If Pearl comes back and gets in trouble with the NCAA again, then we'll have to do the same thing we did last time he got us in trouble -- hire an underqualified, unproven coach from a backwater conference because no decent coach will consider us with a bad NCAA situation, and that situation will be much worse next time. It'll set us back five more years. Martin was obviously a crappy hire, but Hamilton's options were extremely limited. Thanks to Bruce.

Why back someone whom we know the NCAA will be closely monitoring, and who has a history of lying to our own compliance department? Why risk having to hire Cunozo Martin again? There are 350 Division 1 basketball coaches. Surely one of them could win in Knoxville.
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This is such crap! So limited that Gregg Marshall was interested AGAIN.

Maybe the Pearlophiles should be directing some of our displeasure more toward the admin. But so do the folks with so much distain for Pearl. Because the admin has done absolutely nothing to make you think they are going to get one of these many many different coaches out there that can win.
 
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Kurtastrophe said:
How we have let Marshall slip through our fingers more than once simply shows the ineptitude of our administration during those coaching searches.
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Your right. I have heard a couple of interviews with him recently, and he is kinda an odd ball. But who cares?

Just win baby, and dudes a winner.
 
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VKAman said:
Come on, man. This is where we are now?
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If you want to look at the overall landscape of doing harm to the UT AD, how can it be ignored?

Volnation vacillates wildly between believing conspiracy theories that apparently involve everyone including ESPN trying to ruin the school to the polar opposite of believing a singular individual operated in a total vacuum (as is the case here).

If a competent AD is in place, the situation doesn't go down the same way. I can't say what the outcome would be, just that it is inarguable that it would be handled differently in proportion to the competency of the AD.

Are you arguing that Mike Hamilton was the picture of competency in his administration?
 
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I keep hearing how we turned Marshall down....was it even proven that he interviewed for the job? Maybe he turned us down? I have seen nothing but post on here about how we turned Marshall down.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I keep hearing how we turned Marshall down....was it even proven that he interviewed for the job? Maybe he turned us down? I have seen nothing but post on here about how we turned Marshall down.
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If memory serves, I heard on 104.5 last night that he was involved as a candidate multiple times and going as far back as when Buzz was hired.

Extrapolate from that whatever you will, assuming you believe that Brett and Blaine have any actual knowledge.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I keep hearing how we turned Marshall down....was it even proven that he interviewed for the job? Maybe he turned us down? I have seen nothing but post on here about how we turned Marshall down.
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I think he probably laughed at our offer. If we even offered. jmo
 
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I have an Illini graduate for a nephew...his brother married another graduate and is an even more ardent fan of the program...they were TODDLERS when the Deon Thomas imbroglio went down,but they must be teaching a course on the subject up in Champaign...BECAUSE THE HATE RUNS RAMPANT for Bruce to this day. I listened to their reasoning about his rampant scumhood...I shouldn't be a Bruce fan because he outed a competing cheating program (Fulmer-Bama?)...he had a bad marriage and got out of it (Henry VIII?)...I was also amazed at how impassioned a former classmate and Bama fan was on Bruce's personal merits...I told them what I'm saying now...I DON'T CARE...Bruce was energy,enthusiasm and results in a flawed but personable package ...I didn't miss a game recap and CARED...I understand the individuals that feel wronged and don't trust him...not attempting to belittle and/or flame your stance...I just believe there are way more of me than you :yu: and a Bruce Pearl homecoming (if he's a willing party)would rival the Jalen Hurd commitment for excitement and rejuvenation (I know...different sports)
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Shaun1985 said:
I keep hearing how we turned Marshall down....was it even proven that he interviewed for the job? Maybe he turned us down? I have seen nothing but post on here about how we turned Marshall down.
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We have interviewed him twice and he was never offered. In this business that's considers passing up a candidate.
 
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utvolpj said:
Dickey ran UT basketball into the ground. Now you want the AD to have control just like he did for the good of the bball program? You're simply grasping at straws with that kind of logic
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I will give you that Dickey didn't care much for basketball, but to say he ran it into the ground is not completely accurate. Football and Basketball were both heathier when Dickey retired in 2002 than now. During the late 90's at the end of his career, UT Atheletics were as good as they have ever been, and produced as much revenue as just about anyone.
 
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gunner said:
I will give you that Dickey didn't care much for basketball, but to say he ran it into the ground is not completely accurate. Football and Basketball were both heathier when Dickey retired in 2002 than now. During the late 90's at the end of his career, UT Atheletics were as good as they have ever been, and produced as much revenue as just about anyone.
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Dickey hired Jerry Green over Bill Self. He's by far the worst AD the basketball program ever had.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If Pearl comes back and gets in trouble with the NCAA again, then we'll have to do the same thing we did last time he got us in trouble -- hire an underqualified, unproven coach from a backwater conference because no decent coach will consider us with a bad NCAA situation, and that situation will be much worse next time. It'll set us back five more years. Martin was obviously a crappy hire, but Hamilton's options were extremely limited. Thanks to Bruce.

Why back someone whom we know the NCAA will be closely monitoring, and who has a history of lying to our own compliance department? Why risk having to hire Cunozo Martin again? There are 350 Division 1 basketball coaches. Surely one of them could win in Knoxville.
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And history says its hard to find a coach that can win in knoxville. Pearl has done his time and is a proven winner. I would rather take a chance on him over hiring somebody we hope can win here. I havent heard any realistic names yet that would have a good probability of winning here.
 
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crparker21 said:
And history says its hard to find a coach that can win in knoxville. Pearl has done his time and is a proven winner. I would rather take a chance on him over hiring somebody we hope can win here. I havent heard any realistic names yet that would have a good probability of winning here.
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I agree, it's a no brainer!
 
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