Basilio should never question coaching decisions

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SGMVols said:
About a year and a half or so into Barnes’s tenure he started counting every day that went by without him getting a 4 star recruit. Yves Pons was his first. That was right at the same time he started the crap about Barnes using us as a golden parachute, so I don’t know how you missed it.
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Yeah, he was hot and heavy into the anti-Barnes campaign. He still takes his shots at him when opportunity presents itself. Mostly because he doesn’t have access to the staff, Barnes doesn’t come on his show like Vitello does, and he has beef with Tom Satkowiak over Tony leaking information that he comes in contact with. It’s all very personal with Tony despite his protests otherwise. Barnes has made him eat a lot of his words with his success, but Tony still jabs him for the postseason failures (perhaps rightfully so), but it just feels like he continually moves the goalposts to find something to rail on him about. When we started winning, it became about recruiting, when we started recruiting well, then it became about the postseason. If we start winning there, it will be something else.

Props to Tony for having an entertaining show as long as he has on his own.
 
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05_never_again said:
Hot take...but if he wasn't Tony Basilio originally from Philly and was Billy Joe Millsap originally from Maynardville, he'd generally be liked on this site. He has a strong Philly accent and can have kind of a neurotic, big city disposition that doesn't play well in Knoxville. I think that's where 99% of the dislike comes from. Let's be real - the crowd here on VN doesn't dislike him because he gets things wrong or deals in rumors. We're on a freaking message board.

He's an interesting dude. Tony speculates and spitballs a lot. He's willing to go where state run media won't go, which is the reason I listen to him. If you are a "I heard someone on TV/radio/the internet say something so it must be true" person, then you'll think he's FOS, but he isn't a "just the facts" guy and doesn't claim to be. Outside of football and basketball season, or some kind of specific news event, his show is unlistenable because it is 3 hours of inside jokes and references with his callers, many of whom I think he knows personally. But during seasons and particularly the fan reaction shows are entertaining; just take the show for what it is worth.[/QUOTe

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I guess he will always have his audience, but it will not be those prioritizing timely and accurate information, but place a higher value on entertainment when turning the dial. For entertainment I turn to oldies stations. I do prioritize the first 5 or so minutes of Hyam's and Wilkerson's show for the daily news recap, and cherry pick from his announced visitor list and tune back in to hear those guys and gals. Not interested in his interim analysis segments either. I know of no credible offset for Dr. Punch, AD White, the coaches, the pro dude from Houston, the invited experts on upcoming opponents, etc. on Tony's show, but have no use for their repeat callers either, Vol fans or not. If I want to hear opinionated rhetoric, I will just talk out loud.
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05_never_again said:
Hot take...but if he wasn't Tony Basilio originally from Philly and was Billy Joe Millsap originally from Maynardville, he'd generally be liked on this site. He has a strong Philly accent and can have kind of a neurotic, big city disposition that doesn't play well in Knoxville. I think that's where 99% of the dislike comes from. Let's be real - the crowd here on VN doesn't dislike him because he gets things wrong or deals in rumors. We're on a freaking message board.

He's an interesting dude. Tony speculates and spitballs a lot. He's willing to go where state run media won't go, which is the reason I listen to him. If you are a "I heard someone on TV/radio/the internet say something so it must be true" person, then you'll think he's FOS, but he isn't a "just the facts" guy and doesn't claim to be. Outside of football and basketball season, or some kind of specific news event, his show is unlistenable because it is 3 hours of inside jokes and references with his callers, many of whom I think he knows personally. But during seasons and particularly the fan reaction shows are entertaining; just take the show for what it is worth.
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I’ve never once even considered this idea. I don’t think anyone really cares where he’s from. Tony himself probably identifies more as a Tennessean than a Philadelphian given he’s been here since his college days, which far outnumber his days growing up in Philly. He’s proud of his upbringing, but he doesn’t approach his show, his audience, or the program he covers with any sort of northern arrogance or aggression.
 
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Don't listen if you don't like him. I don't listen to him anymore because it it just a bunch of BS hype. Not any worse than the loud mouth BS sports talk shows on ESPN and the rest of the media. Finebaum included.
 
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SGMVols said:
About a year and a half or so into Barnes’s tenure he started counting every day that went by without him getting a 4 star recruit. Yves Pons was his first. That was right at the same time he started the crap about Barnes using us as a golden parachute, so I don’t know how you missed it.
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Well, this is only about half of the story though. TB has apologized multiple times and said his take was wrong. He detailed that Barnes has ushered in a basketball era we never could have imagined and keeps telling everyone to enjoy the ride. Conveniently this bit often gets left out.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I’ve never once even considered this idea. I don’t think anyone really cares where he’s from. Tony himself probably identifies more as a Tennessean than a Philadelphian given he’s been here since his college days, which far outnumber his days growing up in Philly. He’s proud of his upbringing, but he doesn’t approach his show, his audience, or the program he covers with any sort of northern arrogance or aggression.
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Didn't mean that he's arrogant; meant more that he thinks fast, talks fast, always seems like he's in a hurry kind of thing. He just has a different disposition than most southerners.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I guess he will always have his audience, but it will not be those prioritizing timely and accurate information, but place a higher value on entertainment when turning the dial. For entertainment I turn to oldies stations. I do prioritize the first 5 or so minutes of Hyam's and Wilkerson's show for the daily news recap, and cherry pick from his announced visitor list and tune back in to hear those guys and gals. Not interested in his interim analysis segments either. I know of no credible offset for Dr. Punch, AD White, the coaches, the pro dude from Houston, the invited experts on upcoming opponents, etc. on Tony's show, but have no use for their repeat callers either, Vol fans or not. If I want to hear opinionated rhetoric, I will just talk out loud.
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I use different sources for different things. I don't follow the Knoxville News Sentinel or any of the mainstream sources for their analysis or because they are entertaining, or Tony for his factual information. Basilio's show is essentially this message board in a radio show format. It's entertaining. You don't use it to hear the facts - you can pick those up instantaneously from the internet. There isn't much value-add in that anymore.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
Let’s see, technical difficulties vs. human error. Seems you are comparing apples to oranges.
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No, after awhile it’s human error. If it don’t work, quit trying to go to it or have the guest simply call in on a telephone line.
 
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05_never_again said:
I use different sources for different things. I don't follow the Knoxville News Sentinel or any of the mainstream sources for their analysis or because they are entertaining, or Tony for his factual information. Basilio's show is essentially this message board in a radio show format. It's entertaining. You don't use it to hear the facts - you can pick those up instantaneously from the internet. There isn't much value-add in that anymore.
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I dropped the KNS under the leadership of J. Adams long ago, for reasons not dissimilar to why I don't listen to Tony. Creating interest is not a worthy reason for putting out content in informational pursuits TO ME. Tony is lucky his overhead is lower and can do his thing for a while I bet. His competition does provide a larger amount of additional real information through their guests, therefore I surf my way to those timeslots.

Tony's much publicized best bud association with a very successful and well known barrister in a targeted market should be a clue too.
 
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05_never_again said:
Didn't mean that he's arrogant; meant more that he thinks fast, talks fast, always seems like he's in a hurry kind of thing. He just has a different disposition than most southerners.
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Gotcha. I’m still not sure I believe anyone dislikes him for any of those reasons, though.

I do agree with your comparison, though, of his show being a message board in radio form. That’s a good comparison, which makes a lot of the hate he catches a little strange. We are all here on VN looking for and discussing the kind of stuff he discusses on his show.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Gotcha. I’m still not sure I believe anyone dislikes him for any of those reasons, though.

I do agree with your comparison, though, of his show being a message board in radio form. That’s a good comparison, which makes a lot of the hate he catches a little strange. We are all here on VN looking for and discussing the kind of stuff he discusses on his show.
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Yep. When people complain about TB, they'll say things like he mentions rumors, gets stuff wrong, stirs stuff up, etc., but as we've both said we're on a message board, which is full of those things, so I'm just speculating that the actual reason for the dislike is something else.

I just wonder if he had more of a good ole boy disposition if his schtick would be liked more. I listen to TB occasionally, but even I'd admit he's got kind of an obnoxious voice.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Well, this is only about half of the story though. TB has apologized multiple times and said his take was wrong. He detailed that Barnes has ushered in a basketball era we never could have imagined and keeps telling everyone to enjoy the ride. Conveniently this bit often gets left out.
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You can NEVER erase the memories when someone slaps your mother or kicks your dog. The lack of judgement involved in the original acts are still there for posterity and there is no guarantee they won't resurface if it becomes convenient or self-serving to do so. I do applaud his public service alliances, but.........
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. When people complain about TB, they'll say things like he mentions rumors, gets stuff wrong, stirs stuff up, etc., but as we've both said we're on a message board, which is full of those things, so I'm just speculating that the actual reason for the dislike is something else.

I just wonder if he had more of a good ole boy disposition if his schtick would be liked more. I listen to TB occasionally, but even I'd admit he's got kind of an obnoxious voice.
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In my experience, the reason for the dislike has generally been that despite acknowledging that he’s mostly a rumor-mill reporting blowhard, people rarely want to credit him with breaking news, but want to hold him to an Adam Schefter level of accountability when he misses on something as if it were akin to Lester Holt inaccurately reporting a national news story.
 
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cncchris33 said:
In my experience, the reason for the dislike has generally been that despite acknowledging that he’s mostly a rumor-mill reporting blowhard, people rarely want to credit him with breaking news, but want to hold him to an Adam Schefter level of accountability when he misses on something as if it were akin to Lester Holt inaccurately reporting a national news story.
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They do - I just wonder why the unreasonable standard though? It's because people don't like him for some reason, and honestly I think it's probably because despite bleeding orange he does come across as an obnoxious, loud Yankee on his show.
 
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05_never_again said:
They do - I just wonder why the unreasonable standard though? It's because people don't like him for some reason, and honestly I think it's probably because despite bleeding orange he does come across as an obnoxious, loud Yankee on his show.
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I think it’s because he has an outlet and a voice. They think he should be as detailed and accurate as the mainstream media. But Tony isn’t afraid to put something out there that those other outlets wouldn’t dare because they fear the blowback if it’s wrong. Tony doesn’t care…just like a message board. He’ll take the good with the bad knowing he doesn’t have to pander to a large corporate parent.

It’s almost as if the reason they like him is the same reason they don’t like him.
 
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SGMVols said:
About a year and a half or so into Barnes’s tenure he started counting every day that went by without him getting a 4 star recruit. Yves Pons was his first. That was right at the same time he started the crap about Barnes using us as a golden parachute, so I don’t know how you missed it.
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He also came out and said he was wrong about Barnes and consistently brings up how wrong he is. He will say things and then say well what do I know, I was wrong about Barnes.
 
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SGMVols said:
About a year and a half or so into Barnes’s tenure he started counting every day that went by without him getting a 4 star recruit. Yves Pons was his first. That was right at the same time he started the crap about Barnes using us as a golden parachute, so I don’t know how you missed it.
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Also to be fair, he was on point! Barnes was coasting for 3 years! And previous post TB admitted he was “wrong”, meh, semantics, good he stood corrected AFTER Barnes decided to get his head back in the behind the scenes “game” of recruiting! Of course how much of that was UT Admin pressure at the time post BP, 🤡 and Donnie slop.
 
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wmcovol said:
Alittle sarcasm on my part. He wasn’t on the show but the logistics were terrible. Jerome Maymin was the guest but every time they’d go to him for comment, it wouldn’t work. There was an hour of this.

I like TB & like his shows but he shouldn’t be critical of coaches with 3 secs to make a decision with his show running like that. It was a cluster tonight.
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I'm not in the business of defending Basilio and I actually agree with you on the production. Sometimes it is shoestring. If you're going to critique someone for getting something wrong, then at least spell Jeronne Maymon's name correctly.
 
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cncchris33 said:
In my experience, the reason for the dislike has generally been that despite acknowledging that he’s mostly a rumor-mill reporting blowhard, people rarely want to credit him with breaking news, but want to hold him to an Adam Schefter level of accountability when he misses on something as if it were akin to Lester Holt inaccurately reporting a national news story.
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Tony himself is pure B-level sports entertainment, he didn't play D1 ball or does he have any unique perspective on Tenn sports, but his good-old-boy callers really make the show. I live out-of-State (CA), and when I want to revisit my Tenn roots, and feel like I'm sitting in a campus bar talking sports, I just tune in the TB show to see what people on the ground are thinking-- for largely the alt view of things. His best show ever was the night Butch lost to Arkansas on his way to getting fired, when he started playing the bongo drums for hiring Reverend Freeze. He sort of thrives on calamitous events or tries to create them (like Barnes not signing 4/5* his first few years).
 
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