Battle of Madison

#51
#51
utgibbs said:
This is where droski tells us how much money we made buying the "toxic" assets, and what a great deal the taxpayer got loaning at 0% interest so we could borrow at 4% interest.

Indeed,

:lolabove:
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just stop. please do even a modicum of research before you talk about how stupid everyone else is.
 
#53
#53
IPorange said:
How much did Wisconsin spend on the Pentagon and saving the banking industry?

We're broke because we were spending on a model of assumed continuous growth.
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OKAY!

Now you're talking. I was taking baby-steps required by the political sensibilities on the board.

I've already said I hope they fail for the very reason you have outlined in bold above. Although I don't like the kind of villianization of teachers we are seeing because they have the temerity to fight politically.
 
#55
#55
utgibbs said:
Although I don't like the kind of villianization of teachers we are seeing because they have the temerity to fight politically.
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most employees don't have the ability to fight politically and pay off the people who determine your wage and benefits.
 
#56
#56
utvolpj said:
except they just cuts billions out of the Pentagon. You really think it's not going to happen? If you're right we start over and put in some that can do the job. They are hitting the low-hanging fruit first and then will fight other cuts that are more difficult.
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That's why the budget just got bigger?????????

But it called for a record Pentagon base budget of $553 billion, a boost of $22 billion above the level enacted for 2010. Congress has failed to agree on 2011 funding, leaving spending at 2010 levels under a temporary spending bill.
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:facepalm:

Ideology will wrong foot you every time. I also love how the "Defense" budget is the base budget, and the "War" budget is seperate now.

:second facepalm:
 
#57
#57
I think Reagan handled this the best way. You tell them if they go on strike you are going to fire all of them and replace them. And then will they strike you do it.
 
#58
#58
utgibbs said:
Yes, keep lofting up unsupported, superminority softballs.
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i've only linked a dozen articles from reputable news sources (new york times, wall street journal). you haven't come up with a single example that isn't from some left wing blog.
 
#60
#60
utgibbs said:
That's why the budget just got bigger?????????



:facepalm:

Ideology will wrong foot you every time. I also love how the "Defense" budget is the base budget, and the "War" budget is seperate now.

:second facepalm:
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whose budget is that?
 
#61
#61
droski said:
i've only linked a dozen articles from reputable news sources (new york times, wall street journal). you haven't come up with a single example that isn't from some left wing blog.
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Yes, your sources supported MY premises. Every one of them to the letter.
 
#62
#62
utgibbs said:
What are you talking about?
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it's really not that complicated. unions give money to politicians. politicians sign wage increases. you think it's a coincidence that the states with the largest pension deficits are also the states with heavy democratic congresses?
 
#66
#66
lawgator1 said:
Interesting. Even more interesting is that according to that source the defense industry contributes far less than other sectors, but is amongst the most influential industries out there. One wonders how that can be true. Do you know?

I think I do.
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ah yes. must be secret under the table dealings right? you are verging into gibbs territory.
 
#68
#68
utgibbs said:
Same one that cut a badly behind and dubiously useful F-35.
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The administration's fiscal 2012 budget proposal includes $118 billion for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, $41.5 billion less than requested last year, given the troop drawdown in Iraq.
But it called for a record Pentagon base budget of $553 billion, a boost of $22 billion above the level enacted for 2010. Congress has failed to agree on 2011 funding, leaving spending at 2010 levels under a temporary spending bill.
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how is Congress to blame for the increase?
 
#69
#69
utgibbs said:
TARP is in the RED.

TARP was the smallest of the government bailouts.

Game, Set, and Match.
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no it isn't. this idiocy that it's the number of banks that matter and not the total dollar amount is really one of the most pathetic arguments i've ever read here.

you have yet to have shown any proof of this.

sad.
 
#70
#70
I keep bringing this up, but didn't we have the same exact scenario when Reagan was President with the air traffic controllers.

They threatened to organize and go on strike they were told repeatedly they would all be fired and replaced if they did, and that's exactly what happened. Why could you not do the same scenario this time? Yes it would be difficult to replace all these teachers, but not impossible. Not all of them will go on strike, and the unemployment rate is relatively high still.
 
#71
#71
droski said:
ah yes. must be secret under the table dealings right? you are verging into gibbs territory.
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You are incredibly naive if you don't think that there are more ways to influence than via reported direct contributions.
 
#72
#72
oklavol said:
I keep bringing this up, but didn't we have the same exact scenario when Reagan was President with the air traffic controllers.

They threatened to organize and go on strike they were told repeatedly they would all be fired and replaced if they did, and that's exactly what happened. Why could you not do the same scenario this time? Yes it would be difficult to replace all these teachers, but not impossible. Not all of them will go on strike, and the unemployment rate is relatively high still.
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There a number of differences.

First, the atc's went on strike. It was not an issue of demanding that they give up collective bargaining rights.

Second, there are far fewer atc's than there are teachers.

Third, the atc's didn't shut down a branch of the government over a particular piece of legislation.

I understand that the GOP wants to invoke the specter of Reagan firing the atc's for being unreasonable, but its a very weak comparison and the effort so far to try to cast this governor as Reaganesque has not really gained a lot of traction with anyone other than those would support him, anyway.
 
#74
#74
lawgator1 said:
You are incredibly naive if you don't think that there are more ways to influence than via reported direct contributions.
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yes, but what's your proof that the republicans are receiving it over the democrats? fact is the party with the power gets the money. why? because they have the direct ability to effect it. it's really not that complicated and the numbers clearly support this ACROSS THE BOARD.
 
#75
#75
oklavol said:
I keep bringing this up, but didn't we have the same exact scenario when Reagan was President with the air traffic controllers.

They threatened to organize and go on strike they were told repeatedly they would all be fired and replaced if they did, and that's exactly what happened. Why could you not do the same scenario this time? Yes it would be difficult to replace all these teachers, but not impossible. Not all of them will go on strike, and the unemployment rate is relatively high still.
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What is your assessment of that situation?
 
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