Battle of Madison

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#101
has anyone claiming that collective bargaining is a "right" been able to show exactly where such a right is codified in the US Constitution or the Wisconsin state Constitution?
 
#103
#103
MG1968 said:
has anyone claiming that collective bargaining is a "right" been able to show exactly where such a right is codified in the US Constitution or the Wisconsin state Constitution?
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All liberal ideals are "rights" and all conservative ideals are racist. Didn't get the memo? :whistling:
 
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#105
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#106
#106
MG1968 said:
has anyone claiming that collective bargaining is a "right" been able to show exactly where such a right is codified in the US Constitution or the Wisconsin state Constitution?
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Does it need to be a right for people to do it?
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#109
#109
Scott Walker's response to Obama's comments

Obama says this:

Without mentioning the Wisconsin budget debate specifically, President Barack Obama said Monday that "it does no one any good when public employees are denigrated or vilified or their rights are infringed upon."
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Walker responds:

“I’m sure the President knows that most federal employees do not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits while our plan allows it for base pay. And I’m sure the President knows that the average federal worker pays twice as much for health insurance as what we are asking for in Wisconsin. At least I would hope he knows these facts.
“Furthermore, I’m sure the President knows that we have repeatedly praised the more than 300,000 government workers who come to work every day in Wisconsin.
“I’m sure that President Obama simply misunderstands the issues in Wisconsin, and isn’t acting like the union bosses in saying one thing and doing another.”
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#110
volinbham said:
Scott Walker's response to Obama's comments

Obama says this:



Walker responds:
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Here's the problem with Walker's retort:

The teacher's union has agreed to pay the contributions Walker seeks to health coverage and pension. THEY ARE GIVING HIM EXACTLY WHAT HE ASKED FOR.

The sticking point is collective bargaining rights, and that issue is directly tied to painting the unions as working at odds with the interests of the taxpayers in Wisconsin.

Walker's retort is severely misplaced, But that is intentional.

Last polls I saw say that majority of citizens of Wisconsin would now vote against him, including significant shift in Republican voters away from him. He has overplayed his hand.
 
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#111
lawgator1 said:
Here's the problem with Walker's retort:

The teacher's union has agreed to pay the contributions Walker seeks to health coverage and pension. THEY ARE GIVING HIM EXACTLY WHAT HE ASKED FOR.

The sticking point is collective bargaining rights, and that issue is directly tied to painting the unions as working at odds with the interests of the taxpayers in Wisconsin.

Walker's retort is severely misplaced, But that is intentional.

Last polls I saw say that majority of citizens of Wisconsin would now vote against him, including significant shift in Republican voters away from him. He has overplayed his hand.
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They are not giving him exactly what he asked for. He's trying to ensure this doesn't happen again. Part of that is changing the CB position. He's also correct that they'll still have more CB power than fed employees so he is not "busting the union" by any means.

Further, without that CB restrictions he's fighting for the union wouldn't have agreed to the contributions on HC and pensions.

Obama's comments were severly misplaced - intentional as well.
 
#114
#114
This thread has demonstrated just exactly how sold out to the MAN many on here are, and how deeply antagonistic there own philosophy is with itself.

1. Capital has every right to bargain collectively with labor, but not labor with capital?

2. Corporations are treated exactly as individuals under the law EXCEPT in the tax code?

Reconcile, please.
 
#115
#115
Delicious:

Wisconsin's budget deficit: $137bn

Tax cuts given to corporations by Gov Walker last year: $140bn.

Game, Set, and Match.
 
#116
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utgibbs said:
Delicious:

Wisconsin's budget deficit: $137bn

Tax cuts given to corporations by Gov Walker last year: $140bn.

Game, Set, and Match.
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Walker was elected last November and has been governor since January 3, 2011. It wasn't possible for him to have given tax cuts to corporations in 2010.
 
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MG1968 said:
Walker was elected last November and has been governor since January 3, 2011. It wasn't possible for him to have given tax cuts to corporations in 2010.
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He's just a label on the Republican engineered mess in Wisconsin.

It looks like he has an easy fix: make the corporations pay the proper individual rates.
 
#118
#118
so you're saying the democrats are blameless when it comes to Wisconsin's financial problems?

you and Charlie Sheen are evidently taking the same drugs
 
#119
#119
MG1968 said:
so you're saying the democrats are blameless when it comes to Wisconsin's financial problems?

you and Charlie Sheen are evidently taking the same drugs
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Who gave the corporate welfare away? Obviously, if you lose $140 in revenue, and suddenly have a $137 shortfall.

Hmmmmm! :question:
 
#120
#120
utgibbs said:
Who gave the corporate welfare away? Obviously, if you lose $140 in revenue, and suddenly have a $137 shortfall.

Hmmmmm! :question:
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So carry the union employees around on your shoulders and kick the crap out of everyone else? I see...
 
#121
#121
utgibbs said:
Who gave the corporate welfare away? Obviously, if you lose $140 in revenue, and suddenly have a $137 shortfall.

Hmmmmm! :question:
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again, you laid it on the new governor and were blatantly wrong - again.

Politicians have been in this vote buying game for ages and it has been predicted many times over. Let people become aware that they can vote themselves a raise and they will, forever. That's corporations, liberals, conservatives, 800 lb gorillas, real world living douchebags, behind the barn dwelling Walter Mitty and everyone else. Altruism isn't real world.
 
#122
#122
BigPapaVol said:
again, you laid it on the new governor and were blatantly wrong - again.

Politicians have been in this vote buying game for ages and it has been predicted many times over. Let people become aware that they can vote themselves a raise and they will, forever. That's corporations, liberals, conservatives, 800 lb gorillas, real world living douchebags, behind the barn dwelling Walter Mitty and everyone else. Altruism isn't real world.
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I want a raise and you've given me a good idea. Who's palm (or other appendage) do I need to grease to get one?

...Hey, it works for the union members and it could work for me!!!!!
 
#123
#123
I understand the notion that collective bargaining results in higher collective pay for the union members, but that is what it is supposed to do! That is its purpose.

That is why this is an attack on the concept of unions, rather than one state trying to fix its current budget problems. I wish the Governor and his backers would just admit that so it could be debated, instead of playing this weak shell game of drifting back and forth between faux justifications.
 
#124
#124
lawgator1 said:
I understand the notion that collective bargaining results in higher collective pay for the union members, but that is what it is supposed to do! That is its purpose.

That is why this is an attack on the concept of unions, rather than one state trying to fix its current budget problems. I wish the Governor and his backers would just admit that so it could be debated, instead of playing this weak shell game of drifting back and forth between faux justifications.
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forcing people to join unions and pay their dues against their will is absurd.
 
#125
#125
lawgator1 said:
I understand the notion that collective bargaining results in higher collective pay for the union members, but that is what it is supposed to do! That is its purpose.

That is why this is an attack on the concept of unions, rather than one state trying to fix its current budget problems. I wish the Governor and his backers would just admit that so it could be debated, instead of playing this weak shell game of drifting back and forth between faux justifications.
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The unions give a lot of their dues to the politicians who pay them off buy giving them better pay through collective bargaining then the union...[repeat]
 
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