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#276
#276
Lexvol said:
Turner could not pull the staff that Lane is assembling. I would have put him ahead of the the other two coaches that have been hired in the SEC recently, and I would certainly put him ahead of Dabo.
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i can't disagree with the Auburn hire, but Dabo already has Clemson ties, proved he could bring the team together and can recruit in SC and other big Clemson recruiting areas. I also can't complain with the hiring of Dan Mullen. UF's offense has definitely been pretty gosh darn good the past few years in "the toughest conference in football". Gill's a great coach, but he's every bit a gamble as the hires that were made. I don't understand the problem with it.
 
#277
#277
CALISKING said:
You're right. Who would want to go live in Southern California at an academic school with lower expectations while making seven figures?

Plus, they have a cool mascot.
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I'm sure plenty of coaches would want to live in southern California. Unfortunately Stanford isn't in southern California.

The fact that they're an academic school is a hindrance for them, not helpful.
 
#278
#278
jwells said:
What about other minorities? Where are the latino, pacific islander, and Inuit coaches? What kills me is throwing around that there are a lack of minorities, then only pursuing jobs for black coaches. Here's a thought: athletics is a business and directors hire the coach they feel will help their program. If I were hiring, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference what color the coach was. Qualifications, peer reviews of the candidate, and the interview would be far more important. That's like saying there aren't enough Catholic coaches, or Southern Baptist, or Jewish.
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One's at Navy. In fact, the first is at Navy.
 
#279
#279
Lexvol said:
12 SEC football teams

At least 75% of the team's composition is the black athlete (just a guess)

0 Black head coaches.

It is simply too hard to justify those numbers....and I'm no affirmative action guy.
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The Big MAC has 11 schools and 0 black head coaches (in fact, only three in their entire history). Know what separates them from the SEC?

SEC fans don't look down their noses at the Big MAC as being a bunch of cross-burning hicks.
 
#280
#280
I posted it in another thread, but these are four main questions that I would have (were I an AD) when assessing coaching candidates.

1) Can he recruit?
2) Can he coach his players in a way that maximizes their output?
3) What does his on-field product look like?
4) In a different situation, would the results look different?

If you have someone that rates extremely high in the first three, he's probably worth hiring (with a good record). If he has a poor record, then question #4 warrants a great deal of examination. How many people "in the know" would look at Steve Young in Tampa Bay and say, "That, my friends, is a future HOFer and one of the best ever"?

I'm not going to expound upon Turner Gill's hiring or not hiring because I don't think anyone on this board, including myself, is intimately familiar with all that went on. To have a winning season at Buffalo is damn near impossible and equally as impressive as having a winning season at Temple in their Big East days.
 
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#281
CALISKING said:
At least 85% (more like 90-92) of the student population at SEC schools is white. Approximately 25% of the players on the football teams and 1% on the basketball teams have white players. So, what's the point? If these schools were truly racist, wouldn't the teams be more representative of their student populations?
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If you don't get the point I certainly can't explain it to you. It ain't rocket surgery.
 
#283
#283
Ohio Vol said:
The Big MAC has 11 schools and 0 black head coaches (in fact, only three in their entire history). Know what separates them from the SEC?

SEC fans don't look down their noses at the Big MAC as being a bunch of cross-burning hicks.
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Ohio Vol said:
I posted it in another thread, but these are four main questions that I would have (were I an AD) when assessing coaching candidates.

1) Can he recruit?
2) Can he coach his players in a way that maximizes their output?
3) What does his on-field product look like?
4) In a different situation, would the results look different?

If you have someone that rates extremely high in the first three, he's probably worth hiring (with a good record). If he has a poor record, then question #4 warrants a great deal of examination. How many people "in the know" would look at Steve Young in Tampa Bay and say, "That, my friends, is a future HOFer and one of the best ever"?

I'm not going to expound upon Turner Gill's hiring or not hiring because I don't think anyone on this board, including myself, is intimately familiar with all that went on. To have a winning season at Buffalo is damn near impossible and equally as impressive as having a winning season at Temple in their Big East days.
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Look O....I agree. Your criteria are more than reasonable. I'm not looking down my nose at anyone. Every fan base in the SEC wants the most qualified coach available when it comes time to hire theirs.

My overall point is not going to win any medals. I don't know what the solution is for hiring more black head coaches. I don't pretend to have the answer to the issue.....BUT I cannot pretend that the issue doesn't exist either. This is not fabricated.

The black athlete carries the SEC. There should be more black head coaches. I just don't see where that breaks any rules of reason.
 
#284
#284
how do i say this without sounding like a jerk.they got their black president,so now its back to complaining about not enough black coaches.and the vicious cycle continues
 
#285
#285
aredfox28 said:
how do i say this without sounding like a jerk.they got their black president,so now its back to complaining about not enough black coaches.and the vicious cycle continues
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This is like watching an ending to an Adam Sandler movie......
 
#287
#287
Lexvol said:
This is like watching an ending to an Adam Sandler movie......
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I completely agree with your point. It is completely unacceptable that there aren't any black coaches in the SEC and so few throughout the at least the BCS landscape. But outside of the Auburn hire, I can understand why each hire was made instead of Turner Gill, whom I consider to be the best minority coach out there or someone else.
 
#290
#290
hmhawk said:
Why do they call themselves African-Americans or Black?How many really have African roots?Why don't they call themselves AMERICAN.I never refer to myself as Cherokee-German-English.SHEESH!!!!!!!!!
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I have never heard a black person call themselves African American who wasn't involved in politics. The group you are referring to does not represent the majority of blacks. Do all white political figures speak for your or your opinions? And if my family were forcibly removed from their homeland to come to America and be slaves then I might want to distinguish myself as well.
 
#291
#291
volfanbill said:
i can't disagree with the Auburn hire, but Dabo already has Clemson ties, proved he could bring the team together and can recruit in SC and other big Clemson recruiting areas. I also can't complain with the hiring of Dan Mullen. UF's offense has definitely been pretty gosh darn good the past few years in "the toughest conference in football". Gill's a great coach, but he's every bit a gamble as the hires that were made. I don't understand the problem with it.
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If it's Urban's system then how much of UF's success can be attributed to Mullen?
 
#293
#293
aredfox28 said:
how do i say this without sounding like a jerk.they got their black president,so now its back to complaining about not enough black coaches.and the vicious cycle continues
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Yep. They got half a president and I guess you got the other half since we're breaking it down by race. I love how people act like the BCA represents the entire black-American population. If this were such a huge issue in the black community then you would hear more about it from players and parents. It is more of a media issue than anything else. There is a disparity in the number of black coaches vs black players but how much of that is because of racism? How much has to do with the fact that the percentages of players who actually make a career out of football lean heavily toward black athletes? How many white kids realize they will never play in the NFL or even start in college and begin focusing on coaching? I'm not pretending this isn't an issue but all the "white power" rednecks need to stop making this into a criticism of the black community.
 
#294
#294
volfanbill said:
well he's learned the system and he calls the plays. I think he knows how to make it work.
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I'm sure he can run it effectively but it's a little strange to me for Mullen to get an HC job by getting credit for running Urban's offense. If Miss St. thinks they can recruit the athletes to make it look like UF's offense then they are in for a rude awakening.
 
#295
#295
The Dude said:
Yeah, the number of black head coaches has been cut in half in the last dozen year, the blacks just need to shut up, right?
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im not saying that, im just sick of hearing racism.they hire who they think who's the best for the job wether he or she being white or black.
 
#296
#296
aredfox28 said:
im not saying that, im just sick of hearing racism.they hire who they think who's the best for the job wether he or she being white or black.
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I agree with this statement for the most part. What needs to be looked at is who is actually doing the complaining. It doesn't seem like the black community is really making this into an issue or there would be more heat coming from recruits, parents and HS coaches. Guys like Spencer Tillman piss me off, though. He is just looking for racist motives wherever he can.
 
#297
#297
i agree. sorry.i just get sick of hearing they didnt hire this or that person cause they are black. and then you get someone like charles barkley on the news.complaining.and here we are having this discussion.instead of another person being the best person for the job.
 
#298
#298
aredfox28 said:
i agree. sorry.i just get sick of hearing they didnt hire this or that person cause they are black. and then you get someone like charles barkley on the news.complaining.and here we are having this discussion.instead of another person being the best person for the job.
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No need to apologize man. You have a legitimate reason to be frustrated with the situation. It's hard for people who have let racism go and don't think that way to understand that there is still a lot of racism out there that black people have to deal with and it's not always overt racism. I really don't feel like this will be much of an issue in 20 years.
 
#299
#299
gainesvol82 said:
I'm sure he can run it effectively but it's a little strange to me for Mullen to get an HC job by getting credit for running Urban's offense. If Miss St. thinks they can recruit the athletes to make it look like UF's offense then they are in for a rude awakening.
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For one I'm sure Mullen can make slight adaptations to the system. He was with Urban in Utah as qb coach and they made it work. If they can make that system work in Utah, I'm sure they can make it work with Mississippi St.
 
#300
#300
aredfox28 said:
im not saying that, im just sick of hearing racism.they hire who they think who's the best for the job wether he or she being white or black.
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No, they don't and it doesn't matter if you're sick of hearing about the issue. As long as the number of black coaches continues to dwindle, you're going to hear about it.
 
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