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DuckinTN said:
Whenever someone calls Oregon's offense a gimmick, I laugh.
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I loved Neuheisel calling Oregon's offense a gimmick and then seeing his face during the game every time the camera cut to him. He looked absolutely shell shocked.
 
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Nightowl said:
I loved Neuheisel calling Oregon's offense a gimmick and then seeing his face during the game every time the camera cut to him. He looked absolutely shell shocked.
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I remember when he called a timeout to slow our tempo down during the game. ESPN cut to a shot of Chip and he was laughing his ass off.
 
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milohimself said:
I moved all those posts to the duck thread for a reason.
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So we can't mention Oregon in any thread other then the Oregon Ducks thread?

We're in an 'Around the NCAA' forum in a thread about the BCS Rankings, which Oregon's smack in the middle of. Seems relevant.
 
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When it turns into pages upon pages solely dealing with discussion about the ducks, it's not relevant in this thread. The other one exists for a reason.
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Bumi said:
The BCS was flawed prior to 02, when they edited the formula to exclude margin of victory. To my knowledge, there isn't a single mathematician who's claimed they'd support the BCS if margin of victory were included in the formula. If so, please provide some evidence supporting that notion.
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Billingsley’s ranking system is vilified by professional mathematicians and a subculture of amateur computer rankers. His is not the only one. The stringent rules placed by the B.C.S. on the computers — they must, for example, exclude margin of victory from their formulas, making 10-7 equivalent to 70-7 — turned them into the laughingstock of the numbers community. Two of the computer analysts, Jeff Sagarin and Kenneth Massey, acknowledge that their rankings for the B.C.S. are not the most accurate they can produce.
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Pre-Snap Read: A College Football Blog

A lot more here as well: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sports/ncaafootball/17score.html?_r=1

Bumi said:
Based off what? Stanford has beaten one team above .500, a mediocre USC squad. They were just played close by one of the worst programs in FBS football. Washington State. They've played one ranked team, and were blown out. What exactly have they done that suggest they'd "demolish" LSU; Who's only loss was to the #1 team in the nation, by a TD, and who's beaten 4 teams above .500?
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They've created better score margins against their opponents relative to what other teams have done against those same opponents.

DuckinTN said:
Yes. They will. Everybody will say that there were no great teams in college football in 2010 and that Oregon was just a little better than everyone else. They'll say that they made it because they played a terrible schedule. They'll say that our offense is a gimmick and that the only reason that we won anything was because we didn't face a defense that was good enough to stop it (unless we were to beat 'Bama). People can find ways to detract, no matter what a team accomplishes.
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Determined haters are already moving the goal-posts in case the Ducks beat USC.

If they win an NC, they will need to cure cancer to be legit.

Bumi said:
Show em respect for what? To my knowledge, there isn't a trophy for being 7-0 and #2 in the BCS. The Ducks have literally never won anything. You don't gest respect for beating up on mediocre teams, you get it for consistent success, bowl wins, and national titles. Especially the latter. When the Ducks get it done, if they get it done, they'll get their respect.
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The Ducks have won more than a lot of teams. Especially if you're looking at recent performance.

How are you defining "won something"? Please be specific. Are the only teams to have won something the few that have won an NC? Or, just the ones that have cured a major disease?
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Pre-Snap Read: A College Football Blog
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Which part says they'd support the BCS if margin of victory were included?

(The BCS was producing screwy results prior to margin of victory being edited out, you didn't address that though)

They've created better score margins against their opponents relative to what other teams have done against those same opponents.
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Which should be a given, considering their pathetic schedule. If that's your argument, you may as well stop posting.

The Ducks have won more than a lot of teams. Especially if you're looking at recent performance.

How are you defining "won something"? Please be specific. Are the only teams to have won something the few that have won an NC? Or, just the ones that have cured a major disease?
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And "a lot of teams" are in the same realm as Oregon. That of teams who get no respect.

No national titles, nigh 100 year drought in reference to Rose Bowl wins, losing record in bowl games, etc.
 
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Bumi said:
Which part says they'd support the BCS if margin of victory were included?
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Yes. I should have noted your red herring earlier. I've never claimed that mathematicians would support the BCS based on that reason alone. The BCS is flawed for more reasons than just margin of victory.

However, I have pointed out that the current BCS computer formulas are a laughing stock to mathematicians. And margin of victory being ruled out is a major reason. The links I posted support that.

Bumi said:
Which should be a given, considering their pathetic schedule. If that's your argument, you may as well stop posting.
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Bumi. You don't understand how it works.

Stanford is not rated strictly on their margin against that schedule. They are rated on their margin against that schedule ADJUSTED TO HOW EVERYONE ELSE HAS PLAYED THOSE TEAMS. So, in order to be on par with another team that has a tougher schedule, they have to beat their opponents by a wider margin. The weaker their schedule, the wider that margin is.

Not only that, Sagarin uses a diminishing returns on scores. So, beating a team by a lot of points loses value the higher the score margin becomes. This makes it comparitively more difficult to score high against a weak schedule.

Bumi said:
And "a lot of teams" are in the same realm as Oregon. That of teams who get no respect.

No national titles, nigh 100 year drought in reference to Rose Bowl wins, losing record in bowl games, etc.
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Oregon is ranked #1 in all three human polls. Your theory that Oregon gets no respect is laughable.

And I'm still waiting for that definition of what constitutes a team "winning something"...
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Yes. I should have noted your red herring earlier. I've never claimed that mathematicians would support the BCS based on that reason alone. The BCS is flawed for more reasons than just margin of victory.

However, I have pointed out that the current BCS computer formulas are a laughing stock to mathematicians. And margin of victory being ruled out is a major reason. The links I posted support that.
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And none of that contradicts my point.

The system is, and has always been flawed. Passing it off as a concrete point of reference, which is exactly what you do, is comical.

Bumi. You don't understand how it works
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I understand how it works. The produced results still suck.

Stanford is not rated strictly on their margin against that schedule. They are rated on their margin against that schedule ADJUSTED TO HOW EVERYONE ELSE HAS PLAYED THOSE TEAMS. So, in order to be on par with another team that has a tougher schedule, they have to beat their opponents by a wider margin. The weaker their schedule, the wider that margin is.

Not only that, Sagarin uses a diminishing returns on scores. So, beating a team by a lot of points loses value the higher the score margin becomes. This makes it comparitively more difficult to score high against a weak schedule.
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And yet, by your own admission, it's a flawed system that produces inaccurate results. So why use it as a point of reference?

Oregon is ranked #1 in all three human polls. Your theory that Oregon gets no respect is laughable.

And I'm still waiting for that definition of what constitutes a team "winning something"...
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At this point, Oregon is #1 by default. The teams in front of them have lost, so naturally, they've moved up. But as I said, rankings to this point in the season are meaningless. A few seasons back, ASU and South Florida were both top 3 teams. They didn't get any trophies.

I gave it to you. But you can continue to be obtuse.
 
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Bumi said:
At this point, Oregon is #1 by default. The teams in front of them have lost, so naturally, they've moved up. But as I said, rankings to this point in the season are meaningless. A few seasons back, ASU and South Florida were both top 3 teams. They didn't get any trophies.

I gave it to you. But you can continue to be obtuse.
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reminds me of 2007 when boston college was ranked #1.
 
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Out of curiosity, which poll? I think I remember them reaching number 2, but I didn't think they ever reached 1. I feel like there were too many teams that would have been ahead of them. OSU didn't lose until the second to last game, and I'd be surprised if BC was in front of them.
 
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If TCU wins out there is no way Boise is jumping them. Think it comes down to the Iron Bowl now with what questions still remain. That is of course if the Ducks continue to take care of business.

If Auburn wins then obviously it's a Ducks/Barn NC game. If Bama wins do they jump TCU who should get a nice bump if they beat Utah.
 
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Depends on if Hawai'i get's in the top 25, that would make Boise beating 4 top 25 teams. while TCU has only beaten 2
 
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grimvol said:
Depends on if Hawai'i get's in the top 25, that would make Boise beating 4 top 25 teams. while TCU has only beaten 2
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Even if Hawaii gets in the Top 25 it won't matter. If both BSU and TCU win out... TCU will get the nod over BSU. Look at what happened today and TCU hasn't even gotten to their premier game.
 
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