Beat the Ducks: Compare UT 13 vs. Stanford 12

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#77
fade route said:
I just can't understand why so many think we can beat Oregon in their house.
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For me, unlikely as it is...anything can happen in football. Unthinkable upsets happen all of the time. I would rather root for my team and think they can win any game regardless of the line. Will they win? Highly unlikely but not impossible and I'm certainly not writing in a "L" until the game is over.
 
#78
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daj2576 said:
What Oregon has going for it is the confidence to win and a home field advantage with Tennessee having to travel thousands of miles early in a season to play.

It is easy to get caught up in the subjective hype that surrounds Oregon. They win. That isn't debatable.

The problem is that when determining the value of a win, you must determine the value of the opposition. If you rank the PAC's teams by recruiting averages you see that they skew well below even average SEC teams. Yes, SoCal is the anomoly in the PAC (average top 5 classes or so) but Kiffin gets less out of his talent than Dooley did.

I won't spoil the fun for you guys, and you won't listen anyway, but go back and look at Oregon's performances against teams who out recruit them. You start to see that their talent averages, as per usual, dictate their performance outcomes.

In this case, UT and Oregon have the same recruiting averages. I am not predicting a win for Tennessee but I think the idea that the game is un-winnable or that a 25 point spread is reasonable are questionable conclusions at best.
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and what happened when oregon came in 2 years ago?
 
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OrangeFrog said:
For me, unlikely as it is...anything can happen in football. Unthinkable upsets happen all of the time. I would rather root for my team and think they can win any game regardless of the line. Will they win? Highly unlikely but not impossible and I'm certainly not writing in a "L" until the game is over.
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Yeah, I've seen some unthinkable upsets too....

If we win it wouldn't be "unthinkable".

People act like we are UT Martin going up against the mighty Oregon.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
and what happened when oregon came in 2 years ago?
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Well, we were loaded with freshmen, grossly thin, muscle bound slowpokes, and a thunderstorm gave the Ducks a chance to adapt. Plus, despite my being a DD supporter, we were out coached, making no effort to adapt to Oregon's changes. Plus we had a QB who was so bad that even the at the time, child, Worley got the nod over him later in the season.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, we were loaded with freshmen, grossly thin, muscle bound slowpokes, and a thunderstorm gave the Ducks a chance to adapt. Plus, despite my being a DD supporter, we were out coached, making no effort to adapt to Oregon's changes. Plus we had a QB who was so bad that even the at the time, child, Worley got the nod over him later in the season.
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Kiffin was our coach in that game not DD, I know I try to forget that year also.
 
#85
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WoodsmanVol said:
Kiffin coached our team against the Oregon Ducks!!!!???
I'm sorry, you and I live in different dimensions so of course we see things different.
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Yep was definitely DDumbass. Also very very young team. With the best line in college football and two pretty decent and experienced running backs in lane and Neal. We should be able to control the clock and keep their O off the field. I just see us having a good chance in this game.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, we were loaded with freshmen, grossly thin, muscle bound slowpokes, and a thunderstorm gave the Ducks a chance to adapt. Plus, despite my being a DD supporter, we were out coached, making no effort to adapt to Oregon's changes. Plus we had a QB who was so bad that even the at the time, child, Worley got the nod over him later in the season.
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They would have adapted regardless; for the life of me I don't know why so many point to that saying if it hadn't happened, we might have won. Ridiculous.
 
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#91
I think the fact that they lost their coach is huge, and no one really seems to say anything about it. We've seen first hand how much a coach matters. We had a pretty good roster the last couple of years yet couldn't beat vandy last year for Christ sake. Maybe their former oc, current head coach, will work out but history says otherwise. We will absolutely have a chance. And I totall agree, 25 points is crazy!
 
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chattavol420 said:
I think the fact that they lost their coach is huge, and no one really seems to say anything about it. We've seen first hand how much a coach matters. We had a pretty good roster the last couple of years yet couldn't beat vandy last year for Christ sake. Maybe their former oc, current head coach, will work out but history says otherwise. We will absolutely have a chance. And I totall agree, 25 points is crazy!
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I beg to differ.
 
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#93
chattavol420 said:
I think the fact that they lost their coach is huge, and no one really seems to say anything about it. We've seen first hand how much a coach matters. We had a pretty good roster the last couple of years yet couldn't beat vandy last year for Christ sake. Maybe their former oc, current head coach, will work out but history says otherwise. We will absolutely have a chance. And I totall agree, 25 points is crazy!
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Agreed. Our roster wasn't great but better than Vandy's. I think the reason no one on here is talking about it is because we have a different coaching staff also. But the thing is I'm 100% sure we got an improvement on HC. Not so sure about the Ducks
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
and what happened when oregon came in 2 years ago?
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I think it's already been said, UT started 17 Freshmen and 4 Sophs.

Also, the 2008 recruiting class was bad, the best player in the 2007 class (EBerry) had gone pro, and the great 2009 class decimated with defections and dismissals.
 
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#98
If UT comes out and the Ducks it won't be because Butch is that awesome but cuz the Vols were already that good and Dooley sucked beyond anything we could have imagined.
 
#99
#99
The misprice, in betting terms, will not be the Oregon game--UT is going to get killed. It will be the line on the Florida game the following week. Wait until the Eugene masacre, then get long the Vols. Don't do it now. If you are planning on going out to Oregon, go early and enjoy the wine.
 
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