Been a bit hard on Worley but...

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The first time Worley stepped on the field he got called in off the bench in an Alasalami game, made like 4 passes and went like 20 yards (Of the top of my head). He knows Kitten's game and alasalami's game. This team, with these receivers, and these corners and this QB is going to scare the crap out of alasalami if nothing else.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
Am I allowed to say that those 2 were excellent game managers, and Worley is an average game manger? Due to what he has done so far in his career I think that would have to be the label I give him. The one big game he won was helped out by North making some huge catches and the Ol' Ball Coach's inability to just run the ball to ice the game. The thing that all 3 of those guys have in common is that they couldn't make unbelievable plays/throws to win a game basically on their own.
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Sure. In the same light you can simply label a Ferrari and a Ford Pinto as "cars."

Worley wasn't even an average game manager last season. Not all of it was his fault and I predict he will be a decent game manager this season.

Let me ask you this, how would you label Worley if he came out this season and threw for 3000 yards, 28 TD's, and only 5 Ints? I'm guessing you'd rate him a bit higher than just a game manager.
 
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Rooster1 said:
How many games did McCarron lose in his tenure? How many crystals did he win? Everyone comparing Worley to two time Nat'l Champ McMcarron are missing the mark, by a huge margin. Forget HS stats, college ball is different, some excell some do not. Worley would have never made the depth chart at QB when McCarron ways there, are you people forgetting how well he played for three years as the starter? Forget the rest of the talent around either, one was simply a great CFB QB and the other is trying to make a mark in his final year, and yes Worley had every disadvantage to all the advantages McCarron had, but watching those two play in CFB is night and day tbh.
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C'mon man, in my post that you quoted I said that Worley wasn't better than him. Now you are deluded if you don't think that the talent around McCarron made that dude look really good.

For example, take the 2 NC games that he won. Bama won the first 21-0, and the only touchdown scored was a T. Richardson run. Not hard when the other team doesn't eve score. In the second, Bama was up 35-0 before ND even scored, as it was obvious that the Fighting Irish didn't even deserve to be on the field. The only Championship game he played in, he won by handed the ball off as Bama ran for 350 yards, and relying on that defense. He only threw for 162 yards that game, and remember how many points Bray and UT put up on UGA that year. The only close game he won with a game-winning drive was 2012 LSU. He made a couple nice throws against the Chavis prevent and then dumped a screen pass to Yeldon for a 30 yard TD.

The games where the pressure was on and he had to make plays to win are the ones he lost. Game-icing int against A&M in '12, couldn't score more than 9 points against LSU in '11, looking pedestrian against OU last year when his OL took the night off and there was finally some pressure on him, and having the worst game of his career in the biggest game of his career last year in the Iron Bowl. He was so off and flat in that game, and if he had made the throws he was capable of making Bama wins that game going away.

No doubt, he is a good quaterback. He throws a nice deep ball, usually accurate, and doesn't turn the ball over. (Except when the pressure was on him). You can't deny that he dinked, dumped, and handed his way off to a multitude of blowouts and very nice looking statistics. He never made a single play that made me say 'Wow'. I would have taken Manziel, Murray, Mettenberger, James Franklin, and Connor Shaw over him just last year in the SEC alone.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Sure. In the same light you can simply label a Ferrari and a Ford Pinto as "cars."

Worley wasn't even an average game manager last season. Not all of it was his fault and I predict he will be a decent game manager this season.

Let me ask you this, how would you label Worley if he came out this season and threw for 3000 yards, 28 TD's, and only 5 Ints? I'm guessing you'd rate him a bit higher than just a game manager.
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Well with the team he was playing with, I would say yeah he was a playmaker. But McCarron and Clausen both had far superior OLs, WRs, RBs, defenses, and stability of the system/program. They simply had much better situations. Yet again, Worley has not proven to be better than either of them. Not even close, but you can't deny that those 2 guys were set up to succeed.

Just remember Clausen's recievers: Cedrick Wilson, Stallworth, Kelley Washington, Witten, James Banks, Chris Hannon, Leonard Scott, Tony Brown, Mark Jones, Swain, CJ Fayton, David Martin. Not to mention Henry, Stephens, Cedric Houston, Jabari Davis, Riggs Jr., Troy Fleming, Bartholomew, Larkins, Tinsley, etc. And much better OL play.

To me, those guys were more talented than what Worley has had to work with, not forgetting that Worley has played with some talented dudes (who were mostly young or inexperienced). However, Clausen's guys were definitely more consistent and experienced because we simply had a much more stable football program back then. Not to mention that we actually had some legit defenses that could shut good teams down and win a game for us.

I am excited to see what J. Worley can do this year because I think we actually have a group of skill players that can match the type of talent/depth we had back then. Yet we have to replace the entire OL... :banghead2:
 
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Rooster1 said:
How many games did McCarron lose in his tenure? How many crystals did he win? Everyone comparing Worley to two time Nat'l Champ McMcarron are missing the mark, by a huge margin. Forget HS stats, college ball is different, some excell some do not. Worley would have never made the depth chart at QB when McCarron ways there, are you people forgetting how well he played for three years as the starter? Forget the rest of the talent around either, one was simply a great CFB QB and the other is trying to make a mark in his final year, and yes Worley had every disadvantage to all the advantages McCarron had, but watching those two play in CFB is night and day tbh.
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Coming into his first season, he was neck and neck with Sims as to who would be the starter. Sims who couldn't even start at Virginia. The team around a quarterback has as much to do with the stats and success of a qb as skill does.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I think he finally has the scheme/staff continuity and weapons to thrive like he did on the HS level (State Champs, going against some of the best teams in SC).

Granted, he may not be the ideal scheme fit for this offense, but if McElroy and McCarron can be successful game managers on the college level, I suspect Worley can, too. He seemed to excel when surrounded by talent...and he now has that. So, here's to hoping he gets the hot hand like he had at Northwestern HS.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWzkFJCG2E [/youtube]
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I think Butch has realized that Worley responds better to being told he's the man rather than having to constantly having to worry about being benched for someone else. I think if Worley has enough time to throw the ball he will thrive this season with the talented players he has around him.
 
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ProfessorD said:
I think with Worley at the helm from the start we might have pulled off the Florida game last year and would have definitely beat Vandy. I think Worley is going to have a monster year this year. This is all coming from a guy that has been a Dobbs supporter from day one. Worley is our man and I hope he stays healthy all season long. 7-5 here we come.
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Worley will not have a MONSTER season, it is not in him, but he can have a good season, perhaps. And no, Worley does not win the UF game, there is a lot in that statement I understand, but probably not. Vandy? Yes, I believe that UT wins with Worley at the helm in that game, which would have led to a bowl. Dobbs runs the read option way better than Worley, witness the rushing yards by the QB when Dobbs played, Worley is not suited for read option obviously. But Worley is a gamer, knows the offense better than the others and is a survivor, hence he is the best option in 14 if he can avoid turnovers and keep the chains moving. Back to the original point though, he will not be a beast or have an SEC type breakout year for a QB, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Worley will not have a MONSTER season, it is not in him, but he can have a good season, perhaps. And no, Worley does not win the UF game, there is a lot in that statement I understand, but probably not. Vandy? Yes, I believe that UT wins with Worley at the helm in that game, which would have led to a bowl. Dobbs runs the read option way better than Worley, witness the rushing yards by the QB when Dobbs played, Worley is not suited for read option obviously. But Worley is a gamer, knows the offense better than the others and is a survivor, hence he is the best option in 14 if he can avoid turnovers and keep the chains moving. Back to the original point though, he will not be a beast or have an SEC type breakout year for a QB, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
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We run the zone read not the read option. Auburn runs tge read option.
 
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gunner said:
I think Butch has realized that Worley responds better to being told he's the man rather than having to constantly having to worry about being benched for someone else. I think if Worley has enough time to throw the ball he will thrive this season with the talented players he has around him.
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It works. It should help him relax and just play.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Worley will not have a MONSTER season, it is not in him, but he can have a good season, perhaps. And no, Worley does not win the UF game, there is a lot in that statement I understand, but probably not. Vandy? Yes, I believe that UT wins with Worley at the helm in that game, which would have led to a bowl. Dobbs runs the read option way better than Worley, witness the rushing yards by the QB when Dobbs played, Worley is not suited for read option obviously. But Worley is a gamer, knows the offense better than the others and is a survivor, hence he is the best option in 14 if he can avoid turnovers and keep the chains moving. Back to the original point though, he will not be a beast or have an SEC type breakout year for a QB, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
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You do not even understand what O UT is running... That kind of invalidates any opinion you might have concerning the players running it.

Just do us all a favor and don't change your screen name or run away if Worley puts a good season together.
 
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sjt18 said:
You do not even understand what O UT is running... That kind of invalidates any opinion you might have concerning the players running it.

Just do us all a favor and don't change your screen name or run away if Worley puts a good season together.
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You are correct, read option is diff than zone read. My bad, does that change how Worley did in that offense last year?dude never ever keeps, never.
 
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Rooster1 said:
You are correct, read option is diff than zone read. My bad, does that change how Worley did in that offense last year?dude never ever keeps, never.
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You worry too much...about a team that you don't care about. :blink:
 
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Rooster1 said:
You are correct, read option is diff than zone read. My bad, does that change how Worley did in that offense last year?dude never ever keeps, never.
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Had three nice runs 3 for 18 against South Carolina. Should have ran 2 or 3 more times a game, but he was just starting to be effective enough.
 
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butchna said:
So right it's almost left. :sad:
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Almost as cute as your puppy, but you have no idea how wrong you are. Would wager my roots here are much deeper than yours, and before you retort, think 4 generations. I am not a UT grad, went to West Point, have 3 generations of Vols above me. And yes, Grad degree from SC, but do not think I have less than highest hopes for UT every year.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Almost as cute as your puppy, but you have no idea how wrong you are. Would wager my roots here are much deeper than yours, and before you retort, think 4 generations. I am not a UT grad, went to West Point, have 3 generations of Vols above me. And yes, Grad degree from SC, but do not think I have less than highest hopes for UT every year.
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So what is your story?
 
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Rooster1 said:
Almost as cute as your puppy, but you have no idea how wrong you are. Would wager my roots here are much deeper than yours, and before you retort, think 4 generations. I am not a UT grad, went to West Point, have 3 generations of Vols above me. And yes, Grad degree from SC, but do not think I have less than highest hopes for UT every year.
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Guess I'll have to whip out the old family Bible for a scoreboard retort...get the USCe Roosters mixed up on here... If your families all Vol and you're an Army homer my apologies. :hi:
 
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Rooster1 said:
So what is your story?
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Family came in from England in the mid 1800's...moseyed their way down to Tennessee, impregnating everything female along the way, including Cherokee, worked their butts off and bought land,mined coal and fought for our country and the Confederacy... My niece will be the first graduate from the university , but I'd wager everything that we're as big or bigger a Vol brood as you and yourn...thanks for your service...thank me for mine. :salute:
 
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Rooster1 said:
Worley will not have a MONSTER season, it is not in him, but he can have a good season, perhaps. And no, Worley does not win the UF game, there is a lot in that statement I understand, but probably not. Vandy? Yes, I believe that UT wins with Worley at the helm in that game, which would have led to a bowl. Dobbs runs the read option way better than Worley, witness the rushing yards by the QB when Dobbs played, Worley is not suited for read option obviously. But Worley is a gamer, knows the offense better than the others and is a survivor, hence he is the best option in 14 if he can avoid turnovers and keep the chains moving. Back to the original point though, he will not be a beast or have an SEC type breakout year for a QB, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
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Just face the fact that your savior Dobbs will be lucky if he is named starter his senior year. Stop with the Worley hate.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I think he finally has the scheme/staff continuity and weapons to thrive like he did on the HS level (State Champs, going against some of the best teams in SC).

Granted, he may not be the ideal scheme fit for this offense, but if McElroy and McCarron can be successful game managers on the college level, I suspect Worley can, too. He seemed to excel when surrounded by talent...and he now has that. So, here's to hoping he gets the hot hand like he had at Northwestern HS.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWzkFJCG2E [/youtube]
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Better yet, lets hope Hurd is like his 2012-2013 season :)
 
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