Been a bit hard on Worley but...

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volgrad500 said:
Ha that escalated quickly
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Some will go there, some may be above that, room for all, lest you surmise wrongly, it matters not. But I have three generations of Vol grads above me, if not for West Point, I would have been 4th generation, but my sister fulfilled that legacy.
 
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Good skill position talent around a qb never hurt one.

My dad used to always say Heath Shuler's receivers made him look better than he really was.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Some will go there, some may be above that, room for all, lest you surmise wrongly, it matters not. But I have three generations of Vol grads above me, if not for West Point, I would have been 4th generation, but my sister fulfilled that legacy.
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We're impressed.

Now get behind the starter or shush. This isn't an anti-Worley thread.
 
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PowerT83 said:
Good skill position talent around a qb never hurt one.

My dad used to always say Heath Shuler's receivers made him look better than he really was.
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Maybe a little but Shuler didn't play scared. He wasn't afraid to make a play.
 
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Rooster1 said:
, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
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Let's look at his history. Worley's career record in 10 starts he is 5-5. Tell me of those five losses which ones the Vols had a clear shot at winning: South Carolina or Arkansas in his freshman year
or Oregon, Georgia or Alabama last year. The South Carolina game his first start was lost due to poor defense and no rushing (35yds for the game) Worley actually had better stats than Conner Shaw. In the Arkansas game he played well but the defense, running game and special teams play blew that one you don't get a 49-7 trouncing because of poor QB play with only one turnover. Last year he almost beat Georgia. Oregon's speed totally outclassed our tortoise defense: the turtle formation hasn't worked well since the Roman Legions used it and we all know what happened in the Bama game when he started the game with his thumb injured from the SC game the week before. Worley is not Peyton but he doesn't deserve the bad rap he has received. I think he will do very well this year if our OL can pass protect.
 
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sjt18 said:
Some of us have said all along that Worley had talent and potential. I don't know how it will turn out because (like the coaching staff) he still has to prove he can perform on gameday... but I'm glad some folks are coming around.

He's never lacked talent. He hasn't been surrounded by talent most of his career at UT. He's lacked confidence in his receivers and probably himself. But he's a smart guy, good decision maker, better athlete than given credit for, and can throw the ball. Contrary to popular opinion... what he appears to be right now is almost IDEAL for what Jones wants from his QB... It is what Jones appears to be recruiting in kids like Dormady.
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Yep Worley will have a good year , he is going to win some big games.
 
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Grand Vol said:
We're impressed.

Now get behind the starter or shush. This isn't an anti-Worley thread.
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Nobody said it was, and I certainly did not point to that direction, read a little closer, my posts are not inflating nor deflating Worley's abilities, they are likely spot on. And if you follow my posts, I have been consistent in saying he will lead the Vols to a minimum of six wins and a bowl. I have stated with authority he will be serviceable enough to do that job. Those that take exception with this analysis have that right of course, but his ceiling is pretty well known.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Nobody said it was, and I certainly did not point to that direction, read a little closer, my posts are not inflating nor deflating Worley's abilities, they are likely spot on. And if you follow my posts, I have been consistent in saying he will lead the Vols to a minimum of six wins and a bowl. I have stated with authority he will be serviceable enough to do that job. Those that take exception with this analysis have that right of course, but his ceiling is pretty well known.
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This. If Worley simply simply plays above average this is a 6-7 win team. That doesn't mean he set the world on fire, though.

If he truly had raised his game then Butch wouldn't have needed all this time to name him as the starter. UT isn't in a very good position at QB at this point...and that's OK. You work with what you've got. But people comparing him to McCarron need to get their heads examined.
 
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Boca Vol said:
This. If Worley simply simply plays above average this is a 6-7 win team. That doesn't mean he set the world on fire, though.

If he truly had raised his game then Butch wouldn't have needed all this time to name him as the starter. UT isn't in a very good position at QB at this point...and that's OK. You work with what you've got. But people comparing him to McCarron need to get their heads examined.
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He has the potential and weapons to be every bit as good as McCarron.
 
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Nationdom said:
He has the potential and weapons to be every bit as good as McCarron.
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I hope he does! If he does, UT will win 8 games, book it!

However, why would Butch wait so long to name him as starter? That's what concerns me.

You know the old saying, "If you have 2 QB's, you don't have 1."? What does it say when you have 3?
 
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Boca Vol said:
I hope he does! If he does, UT will win 8 games, book it!

However, why would Butch wait so long to name him as starter? That's what concerns me.

You know the old saying, "If you have 2 QB's, you don't have 1."? What does it say when you have 3?
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If Worley can't get it done, a hungry Peterman will.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Worley will not have a MONSTER season, it is not in him, but he can have a good season, perhaps. And no, Worley does not win the UF game, there is a lot in that statement I understand, but probably not. Vandy? Yes, I believe that UT wins with Worley at the helm in that game, which would have led to a bowl. Dobbs runs the read option way better than Worley, witness the rushing yards by the QB when Dobbs played, Worley is not suited for read option obviously. But Worley is a gamer, knows the offense better than the others and is a survivor, hence he is the best option in 14 if he can avoid turnovers and keep the chains moving. Back to the original point though, he will not be a beast or have an SEC type breakout year for a QB, he does not have that kind of stuff and in case you forget before you blast me, look at his history. Leopards do not change their spots.
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Michael Palardy .. some do
 
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The truth is that we have no idea how good Worley is going to be. Most of the information that we receive is vague and diluted and we try to form opinions from it. Having said that, I would like to toss out 2 things that I found interesting, yet of no real value.

1. Both Ainge and Swain raved over Worley at the beginning of camp, then promptly went silent about him for pretty much the rest of camp. Is there any meaning there?

2. Zasnow stated that Worley has looked terrible in camp. I don't know how good his evaluation skills are but the statement is troubling.
 
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Rooster1 said:
You are correct, read option is diff than zone read. My bad, does that change how Worley did in that offense last year?dude never ever keeps, never.
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Except that he did and on the few occasions he did... he was effective. I still believe they told him not to run. They obviously wanted to RS both Dobbs and Ferguson. Peterman was injured. They had to say what they could publicly to make it seem like he might run.

Regardless of whether I am right and he was told not to run or others are right and he's scared or just doesn't know how to do it... he'll have to run it some this fall to hang on to the job IMO.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The truth is that we have no idea how good Worley is going to be. Most of the information that we receive is vague and diluted and we try to form opinions from it. Having said that, I would like to toss out 2 things that I found interesting, yet of no real value.

1. Both Ainge and Swain raved over Worley at the beginning of camp, then promptly went silent about him for pretty much the rest of camp. Is there any meaning there?

2. Zasnow stated that Worley has looked terrible in camp. I don't know how good his evaluation skills are but the statement is troubling.
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I'll add a 3rd. Hubbs indicated the other day that they aren't allowed to report on much of what they see in practice. At a minimum, we're getting incomplete information. We could be getting misinformation. If Jones is really, really good... then we're probably getting information managed so that it becomes "dis"information.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'll add a 3rd. Hubbs indicated the other day that they aren't allowed to report on much of what they see in practice. At a minimum, we're getting incomplete information. We could be getting misinformation. If Jones is really, really good... then we're probably getting information managed so that it becomes "dis"information.
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Why can't you just accept the fact that Worley sucks?! And Dobbs, Peterman and Jim Bob Cooter are far superior and the coaches don't know crap when compared to the finely tuned Volnation elites that can predict his failure from 32 seconds of a practice video!
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The truth is that we have no idea how good Worley is going to be. Most of the information that we receive is vague and diluted and we try to form opinions from it. Having said that, I would like to toss out 2 things that I found interesting, yet of no real value.

1. Both Ainge and Swain raved over Worley at the beginning of camp, then promptly went silent about him for pretty much the rest of camp. Is there any meaning there?

2. Zasnow stated that Worley has looked terrible in camp. I don't know how good his evaluation skills are but the statement is troubling.
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Is it possible that Worley has improved a lot and CBJ wants to keep a lid on it until the first game? Maybe to keep expectations low for the season.

Ainge and Swain are homers so they want to see him do well, but they will follow CBJ's lead.

Zas is an insider of some sort so he could be playing along.

The only evidence to support my theory is the fact that Worley finished third in the Manning Passing Academy this summer during the QB challenge.
 
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