Bernie Sanders Thread

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FLVOL_79 said:
Its no different than hiring a football coach. They find a person they think will make things better, offer a salary (and stock options) usually with a guaranteed amount regardless of performance, then with performance comes extra perks. How many millions did Dooley walk away with? I'd like to say these type of hiring contracts are dumb but its part of the game and its how you attract the "best and brightest".

What gets me in the "wealth inequality" crowd is how so many people seem to think they can do the job of a CEO. Newsflash..they can't.
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Can you name a football coach that walked away with a $210 million severance package?

Your last paragraph, I agree.
 
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Gramps said:
Can you name a football coach that walked away with a $210 million severance package?

Your last paragraph, I agree.
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We paid Derek freakin Dooley several million to drive a tanker truck into a dumpster fire that was burning.
 
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BeecherVol said:
We paid Derek freakin Dooley several million to drive a tanker truck into a dumpster fire that was burning.
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Yeah I think UT paid Dooley and Fulmer 10-11 million total thanks to Mike Hamilton's fantastic negotiating abilities.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Its weird..Sanders is 73..hasnt the rallying cry among the liberal members of our society been they were tired of "old white men"?

Oh unless they are running an old, white man..amirite?
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John McCain was also too old according to liberals remember? He was going to get elected then die in office.

He was only one year younger than Bernie is now.
 
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TheDeeble said:
John McCain was also too old according to liberals remember? He was going to get elected then die in office.

He was only one year younger than Bernie is now.
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That is so 2008. This is 2015 . Women make up 51% of the voting block and they love older guys. There is something about the older grandpa looking men that turn women on.
 
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Gramps said:
That is so 2008. This is 2015 . Women make up 51% of the voting block and they love older guys. There is something about the older grandpa looking men that turn women on.
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Sean Connery's got nothing on him.
 
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Ceo pay should have a very low base and tied directly to either profits or a specific goal.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Have you ever been to Europe?
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I lived in Deutschland for a year in the 90's. They have their problems but Europe is not the USA. Many differences.

Ever heard of Greece? The rest of Europe will eventually be there with them. Aging populations, importing unskilled workers = Greece in 10-20 years.
 
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Gramps said:
I think this may be partly direct at me for the earlier post I made.

I have not and will not support Sanders or Hillary.

I have zero problem with a CEO that is making his company and stock holders money making all the money he,/she can. Reward those that do a good job.

I do have a problem with CEO that does a terrible job then leave with millions of dollars like the two CEO's I mentioned earlier.

When Carley Fiorina was at HP stock prices fell 50%, she gets fired and walks with 21 million dollars.

Bob Nardelli did a terrible job at Home Depot. It was reported he was literally hated. He walks away with 210 million dollars.

Their are plenty more examples if you would like to do a little research.

Please tell me how being against these terrible business practices is socialist.

When a CEO drives a company in the ground and walks with millions, who are they harming?
It is not the poor guy working low paying jobs, it is the investor that takes a hit.
Let's take HP. Millions of dollars was lost by investors yet the CEO was fired and walked away with $21 million with a big smile on her face?

You 2nd and 3rd are so full of fail, I don't have time to address that garbage.

Your last paragraph, can you please name any type of government where the top of the pyramid lives like the masses?
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Not directed to you, but, here ya go.

On failed CEO's and the 2nd and 3rd being failed, what you do not understand is those products sold, and thus, the consumer is to blame.

You can consider those CEO's failures, yet, regardless of stock price or if he was "hated" the companies revenues grew meaning that the consumer...the consumer, still bought those products even though you can think the CEO did nothing to entice it. Further, the consumer bought those stocks. Maybe people should do a little more research so they don't put their money into companies that aren't going to gain a return on investment. Pretty simple. Socialism is just that, regulating free enterprise to succeed or fail not based on the free market. You railing against these companies or CEO's for making money for doing a job, whether you think it was right or not, is socialist. You wanting to dictate pay to any company is socialist. When the shareholder and BOD have had enough, people get fired. That's how it works.

On the 2nd and 3rd you see as garbage, why is it hard to understand that when people complain about the "man", yet, purchase their products makes them a hypocritical dunce who fails to understand their own feelings and emotions? If you complain about the big bad companies and spend your money on products you say you have issues towards, then you are the problem. Did you buy any Home Depot products while the "mean hated" man was CEO. If so, look in the mirror for your own disdain.

To the last question, this system!!!!!! The problem lies in the people who are running this system, nothing else. Career politicians instead of public service and volunteer. When they can't make a living being a politician, problem solved. Just as with the notion of being a hypocrite for buying products from the big bad 5A companies that one complains about, the notion here is simple. We the people are first to blame for allowing these other idiots to be voted into office time and again and never being held responsible. We complain, yet, 99% don't get involved. Couple that with corruptible self involved politicians and then our system doesn't work as it should.

So, combine the two and CONVICTION reigns supreme. You do not like a company, don't buy it's products. You don't like the government, do something about it. Stick to your convictions and don't be an emotional nimsy stuck in inactivity or just complaining to hear yourself complain.

You can think whatever you want. I don't care. You can have your opinion and no matter what I say, it doesn't matter. But, understand that as someone who has a MBA from The Kellogg School of Management (if you have to look it up then you might be out of touch) and who was accepted into Booth and Wharton, I fully understand what I'm talking about.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I was just really inspired by your inspirational post man. I found myself looking for another part-time job on the side in addition to the one I already have while being full-time employed, so that I could get of my butt and make something of myself. I didn't understand that in order to get ahead in America all I have to do is work really hard, and that other circumstances like the death of a spouse, a car accident, or a parent moving in with me is my fault and why I can't seem to climb the social ladder. I mean the system can't be rigged to keep me from climbing can it? No way that can be true, because I mean we live in America where everyone has an equal chance no matter the circumstances.
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Do I have empathy and sympathy for your suffering, yes. Do I wish things were better for you, yes. Do I think your trials and tribulations mean that the entire system is flawed and we need a socialist outlook, NO.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Not directed to you, but, here ya go.

On failed CEO's and the 2nd and 3rd being failed, what you do not understand is those products sold, and thus, the consumer is to blame.

You can consider those CEO's failures, yet, regardless of stock price or if he was "hated" the companies revenues grew meaning that the consumer...the consumer, still bought those products even though you can think the CEO did nothing to entice it. Further, the consumer bought those stocks. Maybe people should do a little more research so they don't put their money into companies that aren't going to gain a return on investment. Pretty simple. Socialism is just that, regulating free enterprise to succeed or fail not based on the free market. You railing against these companies or CEO's for making money for doing a job, whether you think it was right or not, is socialist. You wanting to dictate pay to any company is socialist. When the shareholder and BOD have had enough, people get fired. That's how it works.

On the 2nd and 3rd you see as garbage, why is it hard to understand that when people complain about the "man", yet, purchase their products makes them a hypocritical dunce who fails to understand their own feelings and emotions? If you complain about the big bad companies and spend your money on products you say you have issues towards, then you are the problem. Did you buy any Home Depot products while the "mean hated" man was CEO. If so, look in the mirror for your own disdain.

To the last question, this system!!!!!! The problem lies in the people who are running this system, nothing else. Career politicians instead of public service and volunteer. When they can't make a living being a politician, problem solved. Just as with the notion of being a hypocrite for buying products from the big bad 5A companies that one complains about, the notion here is simple. We the people are first to blame for allowing these other idiots to be voted into office time and again and never being held responsible. We complain, yet, 99% don't get involved. Couple that with corruptible self involved politicians and then our system doesn't work as it should.

So, combine the two and CONVICTION reigns supreme. You do not like a company, don't buy it's products. You don't like the government, do something about it. Stick to your convictions and don't be an emotional nimsy stuck in inactivity or just complaining to hear yourself complain.

You can think whatever you want. I don't care. You can have your opinion and no matter what I say, it doesn't matter. But, understand that as someone who has a MBA from The Kellogg School of Management (if you have to look it up then you might be out of touch) and who was accepted into Booth and Wharton, I fully understand what I'm talking about.
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The bold may be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on VN and that is saying a lot.


Per your last paragragh, you have a very high opinion of yourself. Are you familiar with the term "educated idiot"?
 
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Gramps said:
The bold may be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on VN and that is saying a lot.


Per your last paragragh, you have a very high opinion of yourself. Are you familiar with the term "educated idiot"?
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No, the consumer decides. Did you shop at Home Depot? Bet you did you hypocrite.

No, my IQ, every standardized test I ever took, and my success say so old man. Maybe your average run with small mediocre trucking companies makes you think somehow you have the right to call me this, when in reality, everything about me makes me better than you.

How many companies did you say you failed with? I have had no failures. I took people like you and showed you how to be better and more profitable. How many millions did you say you retired with? Oh, that's right you probably have less than 2 million net worth right? I've probably donated more money to many different charities and programs than you earned in your lifetime old man, who has done more for others?

How joyous is your old life spending a good amount of time on here, instead of out enjoying your retirement. Lonely?

I have earned the right to have a high opinion of myself because every accomplishment I have achieved says so. I have taken multiple struggling companies and turned them around, I have made many owners very wealthy, and I have done quite alright for myself. I can retire right now, at 38. How long did you toil and fail with your small companies? What was the largest revenue you created by yourself, with no employees? I have earned the right and if you want to get into a pissing contest old man we can.
 
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Gramps said:
Can you name a football coach that walked away with a $210 million severance package?

Your last paragraph, I agree.
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Home Depot is also valued at $149 billion. If we do the math. It may be around the same with a severance package.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I was just really inspired by your inspirational post man. I found myself looking for another part-time job on the side in addition to the one I already have while being full-time employed, so that I could get of my butt and make something of myself. I didn't understand that in order to get ahead in America all I have to do is work really hard, and that other circumstances like the death of a spouse, a car accident, or a parent moving in with me is my fault and why I can't seem to climb the social ladder. I mean the system can't be rigged to keep me from climbing can it? No way that can be true, because I mean we live in America where everyone has an equal chance no matter the circumstances.
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I'm a 24 year old business owner who came from a broken home that lived in a single bedroom apartment with my dad and brother. If you need to work a part time job to get a head then put your head down and do it, or find a better full time job. Learn a new skill and go make money in a different avenue. Who is stopping you?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I'm a 24 year old business owner who came from a broken home that lived in a single bedroom apartment with my dad and brother. If you need to work a part time job to get a head then put your head down and do it, or find a better full time job. Learn a new skill and go make money in a different avenue. Who is stopping you?
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Well done sir, I wish more people your age had that mindset.👍👍
 
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Anyway, I don't think the CEO severance package is the biggest problem Gramps was bringing up. The problem, to me, is that all the CEOs see their pay increase by 10%+ each year while they cut benefits and jobs out from under their lowest workers. The American economy didn't work like that in the past.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I'm a 24 year old business owner who came from a broken home that lived in a single bedroom apartment with my dad and brother. If you need to work a part time job to get a head then put your head down and do it, or find a better full time job. Learn a new skill and go make money in a different avenue. Who is stopping you?
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I'm a 21 year old home owner that came from a home with two drug addicted parents (one is now dead) and have never been given anything in my life. A lot of the time we weren't even able to eat. Just because I'm an individual success story does not mean the system isn't rigged. Change needs to happen whether or not you or I got ahead. Just because it CAN be done doesn't mean it should be as hard as it is. That's the point.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I'm a 21 year old home owner that came from a home with two drug addicted parents (one is now dead) and have never been given anything in my life. A lot of the time we weren't even able to eat. Just because I'm an individual success story does not mean the system isn't rigged. Change needs to happen whether or not you or I got ahead. Just because it CAN be done doesn't mean it should be as hard as it is. That's the point.
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I'm arguing it's not that hard. If you sit around and wait for your cards to fall into place they never will. I'd say 2/3 of the people I know my age have the maturity level I had at 18
 
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At 21, how many people you know are currently building a savings account? How many are spending their pay checks in two days and living at home?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I'm arguing it's not that hard. If you sit around and wait for your cards to fall into place they never will. I'd say 2/3 of the people I know my age have the maturity level I had at 18
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Maybe, but I think part of that is the emphasis in schools on things that don't matter much.

Advanced math is useless for 95% of the population, but we teach it because of the 10 people in a class who want to be engineers.

We need to focus more on money management and personal finance.
 
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