Best Staff in America or Something Like That

#27
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VOLorNuttin said:
Continuity ain't got jack to do with the quality of the coaches he first hired. Janzek was fired as the DC at UGA...with all that GA talent to draw from and use.

Ellis Johnson, on the other hand was a highly regarded and successful DC in the SEC...and guess what? He came available the same time CBJ was being courted by Hart. Johnson had the credentials. Janzek did not...he just had a working relationship with Butch. That's all.

I hope it all works out, but if I were a new HC trying to survive the meat grinder known as the SEC, I'm going to try and bring in the most qualified FIRST, and consider those you have previous experience with, second.

Bajakian, I can understand, because he knows the offensive system you want to run. But Janzek still worries me. Auburn snatched Johnson (and Garner, too) up and it paid big dividends for them. Butch hired his buds from the Bearcats and the jury is still out on them.
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i thought Martinez was DC and Jancek a position coach when they were at UGA.
also, while it is true Auburn got a known DC, we got a known recruiter in Thig, which was more important, imo.
 
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Dare I post something without being dissected like a frog in bio. I guess when you read these replys you can see they don't have a life.

Go Vols!!!
 
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Put all the best position coaches in the country together on one staff and you will have at least some egomaniacs who won't play well with others. He probably should have said the "best TEAM of coaches". Yes he is right in knowing continuity is important and makes things easier on the players.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Here you go, VolorNuthin. Just what your post needs.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNvFPKujc5w[/youtube]
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Coming from someone still in puberty, and still playing with his Ninja Turtle dolls...that hurts. Not really, but if it helps you make it til nap time, then go ahead and pretend it does.
 
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Come to think of it, a bunch of coaches brought together for the first time would be like a paper bags full of cats. Sorta like VNers, without the responsibility of directing a multimillion dollar football program. Always looking for attention and approval.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Coming from someone still in puberty, and still playing with his Ninja Turtle dolls...that hurts. Not really, but if it helps you make it til nap time, then go ahead and pretend it does.
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I'm sorry you are still in your self-made funk.
Do you like the Vols? If yes, try posting something supportive about them instead of being a certified Bama
sniffer or something like that.
 
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Weezer said:
Until they have some NCs to back their claims, they're not the "best coaching staff in America". Let's face it, the goal of any coaching staff is to win. The goal of the best coaching staffs is to win championships. That's not to say we have a bad staff, but for anyone to call them the best, even Butch, is ludicrous. The ability of any coach and his staff will ultimately be reflected in the team's record. We'll see where we stand in a few short years.
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False. A coaching staff could in fact be the best without ever winning championships. The best coaching staff is the one that gets the most out of their players. Some teams will never have the level of talent needed to win championships even with the best coaches. Attracting the best player talent is not completely indicative of the coaching staff quality either. Without a college to sell the students on (academics, facilities, brand, etc) you'll never recruit the way you need to win championships. Again, the best coaching staff is the one that maximizes recruiting against the available product.

Luckily at UT we have a pretty good product.
 
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Some folks got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning ! :rolleyes: Or was it the yellow milk in the Cheerios(?). :eek:hmy:
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
So, you typed all that BS just to say staff continuity is good?

Astute observation. No one else would have recognized that.
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Upset that the thread wasn't bashing CBJ and staff like you originally thought it was going to be when you clicked to open it up?.....:birgits_giggle:

You win some... You lose some....

You'll get your chance in another thread....
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Continuity ain't got jack to do with the quality of the coaches he first hired. Janzek was fired as the DC at UGA...with all that GA talent to draw from and use.

Ellis Johnson, on the other hand was a highly regarded and successful DC in the SEC...and guess what? He came available the same time CBJ was being courted by Hart. Johnson had the credentials. Janzek did not...he just had a working relationship with Butch. That's all.

I hope it all works out, but if I were a new HC trying to survive the meat grinder known as the SEC, I'm going to try and bring in the most qualified FIRST, and consider those you have previous experience with, second.

Bajakian, I can understand, because he knows the offensive system you want to run. But Janzek still worries me. Auburn snatched Johnson (and Garner, too) up and it paid big dividends for them. Butch hired his buds from the Bearcats and the jury is still out on them.
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Jancek was a LB coach and Martinez was the DC and the Ga fans could not wait for those 2 to get fired and a couple of more. I use to laugh at them because of their Def. Coaches. I had no ideal they would ever end up in Knoxville. Those 2 had better talent at UGA than we have here and they could not stop nobody there. I like Butch but hiring those 2 was a mistake.
 
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Burger said:
These guys separately may not be the best coaches of their positions, but they are better when together than most staffs. These guys get a lot done in less time because of chemistry and coordination.

It's like being at the office. You have guys with skills and deficiencies. The best teams cover up deficiencies and exploit many areas of strength.
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Bingo. Well said.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Butch claimed something mocked by certain VN’ers here. That he would bring the best staff in the nation to the UT. Certain of us wanted specific personnel. Certain of us even named who we wanted here. We didn’t get them. Butch brought along all his Bearcat cronies. This displeased some of us and still does to this day. I have a theory. It regards a Butch conspiracy. Had he listened to those of us who presume we know more than the coach as to who should be hired as assistant, we’d be in sad shape. Jonesy did his homework and knew a major reality hindered our return to prominence. If left uncorrected, that return would never occur. And that reality was an utter lack of staff continuity. No matter how good your players. If they must constantly shift gears, reinstall engines, and repaint the chassis, the car will always be in shop. Never ready to roll onto the racetrack. The Butch knew this. So he brought his long time together staff, men unlikely to bolt elsewhere at the slightest chance to do so. Hired people he knew. Hired people who shared his vision and stuck to it from beginning to end, fat times and thin. Hired a staff that is and has been, above all things else, a team.

===Senior QB Justin Worley===

(On staff continuity)

"It's awesome. We've kind of breezed through these first few installs and it's great to not have to relearn a bunch of new things for this new offseason. Last year, yes there was a learning curve for everybody, but having that continuity like you said is incredible to be able to build to this year from last year."
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:good!:
 
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What you are really saying is Coach put together a pretty good staff, that can recruit and if everybody take a chill pill this year the results will really show in 2015, and he is a better fit for this program than many VOL fans thought, takes guts to admit when you are wrong.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Continuity ain't got jack to do with the quality of the coaches he first hired. Janzek was fired as the DC at UGA...with all that GA talent to draw from and use.

Ellis Johnson, on the other hand was a highly regarded and successful DC in the SEC...and guess what? He came available the same time CBJ was being courted by Hart. Johnson had the credentials. Janzek did not...he just had a working relationship with Butch. That's all.

I hope it all works out, but if I were a new HC trying to survive the meat grinder known as the SEC, I'm going to try and bring in the most qualified FIRST, and consider those you have previous experience with, second.

Bajakian, I can understand, because he knows the offensive system you want to run. But Janzek still worries me. Auburn snatched Johnson (and Garner, too) up and it paid big dividends for them. Butch hired his buds from the Bearcats and the jury is still out on them.
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LOL at most of this. Ellis Johnson's inability to keep pressure on Famous Jameis and scheme failures in the secondary lost Auburn the national championship after being up 20-3. And his goofy-ass Star position lost the best player at Auburn High School to the Bammers.
 
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VOLywood said:
False. A coaching staff could in fact be the best without ever winning championships. The best coaching staff is the one that gets the most out of their players. Some teams will never have the level of talent needed to win championships even with the best coaches. Attracting the best player talent is not completely indicative of the coaching staff quality either. Without a college to sell the students on (academics, facilities, brand, etc) you'll never recruit the way you need to win championships. Again, the best coaching staff is the one that maximizes recruiting against the available product.

Luckily at UT we have a pretty good product.
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The best football coaches are in the NFL. The best coaches in the NFL are the ones with Super Bowl rings. Best examples are the failure of Saban as an NFL coach and how Saints go from Super Bowl champs to crap without Payton. IMO>
 
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