B'ham station says Oklahoma petitions SEC

#176
#176
Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, are all in play as are Clemson, GT, FSU, and Miami and none of those football schools are worth as much as the Duke, UNC, and Kansas basketball programs to the SEC.
 
#177
#177
GoVols2003 said:
Except that Virginia is a school that is not in the picture. Basketball is irrelevant in this deal. Its about money and football = money.
Click to expand...

Virginia money >> Va Tech money.

Virginia also has a much better location, better facilities, and is actually competitive in multiple sports. Virginia brings much more to the SEC than Va Tech, and Mike Slive is a Virginia alum. I think they're in the picture, but they're probably a package deal with Va Tech, given how the former governor of Virginia forced the ACC to take Va Tech a few years back.
 
#179
#179
Velo Vol said:
I'm not enamored with VA Tech, but what has UVA done on the field of play--say in the last decade--that would make me excited about it, either?
Click to expand...

Exactly, neither has done much in football or basketball. Duke and UNC basketball are known commodities, in the south. The SEC should want that. We need that. Add them, then go in search of some western football.
 
#180
#180
The sec will not add any of these other schools unless they greatly increase the power of the sec. That being said i really believe its Texas and their tag-a-long or no one, the sec will not change!!! just my personal opinion!
 
#181
#181
I personally do not see the SEC going north of the Mason Dixon, nor do I see them choosing schools that offer very little in terms of football just because of their basketball. They simply do not have to. This is all about the BCS. Basketball money is a drop in the bucket compared to football.

Texas A&M, VT, GT, Clemson, FSU, and Miami are probably the most realistic of options.

Missouri played their cards way too soon and will probably have to wait until the dust starts to settle to be chosen. Maybe not, but it looks like they were getting the cold shoulder from the B10 today.

I think that the B10 would rather have ND, Syracuse, Maryland, and Rutgers before Missouri. If Syracuse, the Terps, and Rutgers all say yes, ND may start to feel pressure to finally join the B10. If those teams start to decline, then I think you see teams like Missouri and Kansas start to become fall back options.

I would think that Kansas would prefer to go to the Big 10 due to proximity and revenue. If there is not a spot due to fallout, there would be open spots in the ACC and Big East. If the ACC gets plundered by the B10 and SEC, I see no option but for the ACC to plunder the Big East and any schools like Missouri and Kansas that could be leftover.

Something to keep in mind as all of this starts to go down. If a conference drops below 6 members that have been together for at least 5 seasons, they lose their automatic berths to the BCS regardless of who they replace them with. This will be important as conferences like the B12 get broken up and schools from places like the ACC get cherry picked.
 
#182
#182
Velo Vol said:
I'm not enamored with VA Tech, but what has UVA done on the field of play--say in the last decade--that would make me excited about it, either?
Click to expand...

If we're talking about football, pretty much nothing aside from having really nice facilities. They almost won the ACC a few years back, but that's not saying a whole lot.

Same with basketball, though they've been historically pretty good, they've not been too amazing lately. But like football, they have top tier basketball facilities (much, much better basketball program than Va Tech).

They have the number one team in college baseball this year, and are top tier in most non-revenue sports, like tennis, swimming, soccer, etc.

Given the fact that they've sucked at revenue sports for the better part of a decade, and still bring in more money and have nicer facilities than their in state rival, Va Tech, I view Virginia as being a much better program in the long run. They've been held back recently by poor coaching, but they've got new people in and if they're worth anything, the tide will soon change in Virginia sports. Va Tech in comparison to Virginia has many disadvantages, but has overcome them recently with good coaching (in football only). It won't last forever.
 
#184
#184
TNvol86 said:
If we're talking about football, pretty much nothing aside from having really nice facilities. They almost won the ACC a few years back, but that's not saying a whole lot.

Same with basketball, though they've been historically pretty good, they've not been too amazing lately. But like football, they have top tier basketball facilities (much, much better basketball program than Va Tech).

They have the number one team in college baseball this year, and are top tier in most non-revenue sports, like tennis, swimming, soccer, etc.

Given the fact that they've sucked at revenue sports for the better part of a decade, and still bring in more money and have nicer facilities than their in state rival, Va Tech, I view Virginia as being a much better program in the long run. They've been held back recently by poor coaching, but they've got new people in and if they're worth anything, the tide will soon change in Virginia sports. Va Tech in comparison to Virginia has many disadvantages, but has overcome them recently with good coaching (in football only). It won't last forever.
Click to expand...

UVA does have great facilities. Their BB arena and football stadium is beautiful but their fanbase is horrible. The basketball team is on the rise again but the football team would never compete in the SEC. Their academic requirements are much too strict. All they would add is an extra win for Vandy.
 
#185
#185
GoVols2003 said:
I personally do not see the SEC going north of the Mason Dixon, nor do I see them choosing schools that offer very little in terms of football just because of their basketball. They simply do not have to. This is all about the BCS. Basketball money is a drop in the bucket compared to football.

Texas A&M, VT, GT, Clemson, FSU, and Miami are probably the most realistic of options.

Missouri played their cards way too soon and will probably have to wait until the dust starts to settle to be chosen. Maybe not, but it looks like they were getting the cold shoulder from the B10 today.

I think that the B10 would rather have ND, Syracuse, Maryland, and Rutgers before Missouri. If Syracuse, the Terps, and Rutgers all say yes, ND may start to feel pressure to finally join the B10. If those teams start to decline, then I think you see teams like Missouri and Kansas start to become fall back options.

I would think that Kansas would prefer to go to the Big 10 due to proximity and revenue. If there is not a spot due to fallout, there would be open spots in the ACC and Big East. If the ACC gets plundered by the B10 and SEC, I see no option but for the ACC to plunder the Big East and any schools like Missouri and Kansas that could be leftover.

Something to keep in mind as all of this starts to go down. If a conference drops below 6 members that have been together for at least 5 seasons, they lose their automatic berths to the BCS regardless of who they replace them with. This will be important as conferences like the B12 get broken up and schools from places like the ACC get cherry picked.
Click to expand...

I agree. The northeast is a huge TV market but CFB has too much competition from the NFL. It will never be as popular as it is in the rest of the country. BBall is nice but FBall drives the bus.
 
#186
#186
LawVol13 said:
I've been wanting to ask you how you're practicing law with that GED of yours. If you could explain that to me, it would be much appreciated and would sure save me a hell of a lot of money.
Click to expand...

He's watched tons of Perry Mason and Law & Order reruns.
 
#187
#187
Isn't the ultimately about TV viewers for each conference--and they way you do that is to expand your conference's geographic footprint and gain new markets and viewers. Look at the Big 10: Syracuse is terrible and Rutgers mediocre at best--and yet that conference seems interested in those schools because they could bring with them a lot of East Coast TV viewers. Clemson and VA Tech have good football programs, but they bring very little to the table from a TV perspective--Clemson is in a state where everybody already watches SEC football, and Va. Tech is the Miss. State of the ACC--stuck in a remote location. Missouri would be a much better pickup for the SEC, IMO, than Clemson--but then I hate Clemson. Clemson is like Arkansas, IMO: The SEC added Arky last time it expanded, and while Arky has a respectable football program, I would argue that it brings very little to the table otherwise.
 
#189
#189
Neither Colorado nor Nebraska were considering a jump to the SEC, nor were they being courted to join. So, they simply had to choose between staying in the Big 12, or accepting an invitation to join the Big 10 and Pac-10, respectively. If the other four (TX, AM, OK, OKS) are facing a similiar choice of those two options, alone, what's preventing them from doing the same?

IMO, the more time that passes without their announcement to the Pac-10 could be an indicator of their efforts to salvage the Big 12.....or of the growing strength of the SEC's case. It doesn't seem that a unanimous decision to jump to the Pac-10 would require this much deliberation, and certainly no more than either Nebraska or Colorado similiarly required.

If there truly wasn't an honest debate as to where the other four will land (TX, AM, OK, OKS), there seems to be little reason why they would delay their intentions to join the Pac-10.

They could come out and announce it at noon today for all I know, but until the SEC has had its say and been rebuffed, it's folly to think that anyone can predict how this might turn out.

Couple of other quick notes:

I haven't heard anything about the Oklahoma AD saying that a move to the Pac-10 was imminent, but rather, that they would accompany Texas to wherever they went, insofar as it was possible to do so.

I did hear (but cannot remember on which site) that there are rumors that both Auburn and Alabama have already been asked to join the Eastern Division to allow for two "Western" teams to enter the SEC. If true, that's obviously significant, but likely, its wholly rumor-based, unsubstantiated and unconfirmed.
 
#190
#190
shot0fclarity08 said:
Where have you guys been? This whole thing is about $$$ and TV contracts. Sure, program prestige should play a role, but this is the SEC - the monster of all conferences already. We could stay the same and still garner lots of respect.

Of the major markets, here are some

Market Sizes

DC(VT) - 2.3 Million
Richmond(VT) - 550,000
TriCities(VT/UT) - 350,000

Memphis - 600,000

L'ville - 670,000

I just think VT would help expand SEC exposure.
Click to expand...

I'm willing to wager than people in DC and it's Virginia suburbs give only slightly more of a damn than the massive NYC market cares about Rutgers.

Drawing 150 mile circles on a map with a compass and screaming eureka doesn't mean that people in said area give 2 dumps
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#191
#191
Tenacious D said:
Neither Colorado nor Nebraska were considering a jump to the SEC, nor were they being courted to join. So, they simply had to choose between staying in the Big 12, or accepting an invitation to join the Big 10 and Pac-10, respectively. If the other four (TX, AM, OK, OKS) are facing a similiar choice of those two options, alone, what's preventing them from doing the same?

IMO, the more time that passes without their announcement to the Pac-10 could be an indicator of their efforts to salvage the Big 12.....or of the growing strength of the SEC's case. It doesn't seem that a unanimous decision to jump to the Pac-10 would require this much deliberation, and certainly no more than either Nebraska or Colorado similiarly required.

If there truly wasn't an honest debate as to where the other four will land (TX, AM, OK, OKS), there seems to be little reason why they would delay their intentions to join the Pac-10.

They could come out and announce it at noon today for all I know, but until the SEC has had its say and been rebuffed, it's folly to think that anyone can predict how this might turn out.

Couple of other quick notes:

I haven't heard anything about the Oklahoma AD saying that a move to the Pac-10 was imminent, but rather, that they would accompany Texas to wherever they went, insofar as it was possible to do so.

I did hear (but cannot remember on which site) that there are rumors that both Auburn and Alabama have already been asked to join the Eastern Division to allow for two "Western" teams to enter the SEC. If true, that's obviously significant, but likely, its wholly rumor-based, unsubstantiated and unconfirmed.
Click to expand...

rumor has it they are waiting for nebraska's official announcement that they are joining hte big-10 before making it offical that texas/oklahoma/osu/ttech are going to the pac-10. they don't want to be seen as the ones breaking up the big-12. the oregon newspaper quotes a "very good source" that it's a done deal. the texas rivals guy reports the same thing. rumor has it it will become official over the weekend.
 
Last edited:
#192
#192
LawVol13 said:
Wow. Look at that shot of downtown Blacksburg. Truly breathtaking. Slive must be licking his chops.
Click to expand...

what an idiotic reply. that's like taking a picture of somewhere in east knox on magnolia and saying "this is knoxville".
 
#193
#193
and obviously those talking about the lack of a fanbase for VT have ZERO idea what they're debating. Practically the entire state is VT territory. Southwest and Rural VA, Richmond, and the entire Tidewater area sides with VT and the recruiting of players from within the state is impressive. In fact, you're hard pressed to find any mass of wahoo fans outside of the charlottesville area due to everyone being pro-VT
 
#194
#194
VT is not pulling the elite players out of Hampton Roads. And there is a very good backing for UVA and other schools around here
 
#195
#195
NO schools from Virginia! Neither are SEC material.

Honestly, I don't want to add any more schools from S Carolina or Georgia. We recruit as well as we do there because of the SEC pull. Add two more schools in the fray and more of those kids will just elect to stay home. And to a smaller extent, the same in Va
 
#196
#196
armchair said:
Isn't the ultimately about TV viewers for each conference--and they way you do that is to expand your conference's geographic footprint and gain new markets and viewers.
Click to expand...

It's not necessarily about viewers. It's about money. The SEC has more viewers (ratings) than the Big ten, but the Big ten gets more revenue due to the Big 10 network being part of the cable package within their area (s).
 
#199
#199
BJSforVols said:
It's not necessarily about viewers. It's about money. The SEC has more viewers (ratings) than the Big ten, but the Big ten gets more revenue due to the Big 10 network being part of the cable package within their area (s).
Click to expand...

i'd be willing to bet that the big 10 has larger media markets and therefore is on more cable networks with more subscribers. they dont' neccasarily have to watch the games, but as long as the local cable companies feel obligated to have your network you will drive a lot of revenue. this is the same theory behind why the pac-16 woudl generate a bunch of money.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top