Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#526
#526
oklavol said:
the bible dates the earth to about 6000 years. Carbon dating dates the earth billions of years. That includes dinosaur fossils that are millions of years old.

Again how do you resolve this. Clearly one of them is wrong.
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I agree one is wrong. I've been taught the earth is more like 10,000 to 12,000 years old but that still doesn't get much closer to billions of years. Again I'll go with the Bible over a dating system that is not perfect. But, this is an intersting topic that I truely haven't spent much time researching. That being said I'm not just going to throw out an uneducated answer because I'm not educated on this topic.
 
#528
#528
JZVOL said:
Take a verse everyone knows, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son that whoesover believeth in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting life."

I highly doubt God is going to let someone who rejected His only son, who died on a cross for our sins, into His Kingdom.
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So, your idea of a just God, is one who allows less than 15% of his creation into his complete and total union (Heaven)?
 
#530
#530
CSpindizzy said:
Hence that verse. Are you claiming a back door to Heaven?
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I am indeed claiming that all those who life just and decent lives, end up in heaven. Much more so than someone who simply believes in Jesus, but lives a life of debauchery.
 
#531
#531
therealUT said:
I am indeed claiming that all those who life just and decent lives, end up in heaven. Much more so than someone who simply believes in Jesus, but lives a life of debauchery.
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Can you back that up with a verse in the Bible? Or is that simply your opinion because it is NOT what Jesus, who is the only way to Heaven, said.
 
#532
#532
therealUT said:
I am indeed claiming that all those who life just and decent lives, end up in heaven. Much more so than someone who simply believes in Jesus, but lives a life of debauchery.
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I'm guessing something you've deduced on your own rather than being Biblical....is this supported by the Catholic Church?

So an atheist such as Ted Turner who does great things for many people gets to go to Heaven? Seems counter to Christ's own teachings. So essentially if just and decent people get to go to Heaven what was the point of Christ's death and resurrection?
 
#533
#533
JZVOL said:
Can you back that up with a verse in the Bible? Or is that simply your opinion because it is NOT what Jesus, who is the only way to Heaven, said.
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It is my opinion of what it means to be a just and merciful God. I highly doubt that God is turning away some Tibetan, who is completely selfless, throughout his life, yet has either never heard of Jesus or has only heard the name in passing.

However, you feel that God would condemn this man to an eternity of suffering. If that is truly what God would do, then I will choose the eternity of suffering.
 
#535
#535
therealUT said:
So, your idea of a just God, is one who allows less than 15% of his creation into his complete and total union (Heaven)?
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Every person has an opportunity to seek God from birth. Nobody has an excuse. The Bible states apart from god there is no good so "good" people don't exist.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

--Matthew 7:13-14

So yes, few will enter the gates of Heaven. The Bilbe says that is true.
 
#536
#536
JZVOL said:
Every person has an opportunity to seek God from birth. Nobody has an excuse. The Bible states apart from god there is no good so "good" people don't exist.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

--Matthew 7:13-14

So yes, few will enter the gates of Heaven. The Bilbe says that is true.
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There are also 3 books in the Bible which clearly cover purgatory, which provides answers for all the verses that you cite.
 
#537
#537
Just and merciful? In case you missed it, He gave us grace. It is a simple task of us taking it from him. I don't see how having what He has already given can be anything but merciful. As for just, let's take that word. A judge sentencing someone who committed a crime is just. Just is not some codeword for free pass for doing whatever you want as long as it is "good" by your standards.
 
#539
#539
CSpindizzy said:
Just and merciful? In case you missed it, He gave us grace. It is a simple task of us taking it from him. I don't see how having what He has already given can be anything but merciful. As for just, let's take that word. A judge sentencing someone who committed a crime is just. Just is not some codeword for free pass for doing whatever you want as long as it is "good" by your standards.
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Yet, you believe that faith is that free pass to do whatever you want. Great argument.
 
#545
#545
therealUT said:
Yet, you believe that faith is that free pass to do whatever you want. Great argument.
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Nice try but yet again you have a repeated habit of telling people what they believe when it isn't. If you spent half the time reading previous posts rather than chopping away with insults, you'd make a more credible debate. It's a great argument when the person you speak to argues things that are non-existent. Keep trying. One time you'll luck up and get it right.
 
#546
#546
Those three books you referenced are not the word of God just as the book of mormans is not the word.
 
#547
#547
JZVOL said:
Those three books you referenced are not the word of God just as the book of mormans is not the word.
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Negative. Your bible is simply incomplete. Those books were in the Septuagint and were in the Vulgate. Thus, they were around for almost 2,000 years before the protestants removed them to fit their agenda.
 
#548
#548
"All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the bliss of Heaven. The Church gives the name purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned."

Sounds like the commonly held view that once you are saved your body will be transformed in that final day of judgment. But it does not imply even those who have NOT received God's grace through Christ get a second chance.
 
#549
#549
Keep on looking. Why don't you find out what the three different forms of baptism are for me...
 
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