Bible Topic Thread (merged)

Which do you believe the bible or carbon dating?

They are clearly in disagreement over the age of the earth.

There's not much evidence in the Bible for the existence of dinosaurs, but there are clearly fossil evidence of them.

Again how do you resolve that?

I find that easy to resolve in my mind. I long ago ceased to believe that the six days to create the world were twenty-four hour days. If one day is as a thousand years why not a million years or a billion years? The people hearing Peter could understand the measurement of a thousand but I doubt they would have understood the reference to a million or billion since those terms did not even exist at that time.

My faith is that God created the universe and the earth without being tempered by how he may have done it.

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Hey realUT, I am sincerely asking, not attacking here. How do you reconcile John 14:6?
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Is it the Catholic teaching that non-Christians who led a good and just life will come to know Jesus in purgatory?
 
I find that easy to resolve in my mind. I long ago ceased to believe that the six days to create the world were twenty-four hour days. If one day is as a thousand years why not a million years or a billion years? The people hearing Peter could understand the measurement of a thousand but I doubt they would have understood the reference to a million or billion since those terms did not even exist at that time.

Agree!
 
Hey realUT, I am sincerely asking, not attacking here. How do you reconcile John 14:6?


Is it the Catholic teaching that those who led a good and just life will come to know Jesus in purgatory?
It is the Catholic teaching that those who desire to live a good life (i.e. those who do not worship Satan) will make it to purgatory. At that time, they come to full understanding that God exists, as the Trinity, and their souls are cleansed so that they can enter fully into God's existence (Heaven).
 
I find that easy to resolve in my mind. I long ago ceased to believe that the six days to create the world were twenty-four hour days. If one day is as a thousand years why not a million years or a billion years? The people hearing Peter could understand the measurement of a thousand but I doubt they would have understood the reference to a million or billion since those terms did not even exist at that time.

My faith is that God created the universe and the earth without being tempered by how he may have done it.

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When you do that, you no longer take the bible to be literal. That the bible is symbolic in some passages and not for literal interpretation.

I've heard the same argument for miracles in the bible, they weren't literal but symbolic. For instance, feeding the multitude, not a literal miracle, but symbolic of spreading the word.

Its a big difference. There's a huge segment of the population believes the bible should be taken literally.
 
It is the Catholic teaching that those who desire to live a good life (i.e. those who do not worship Satan) will make it to purgatory. At that time, they come to full understanding that God exists, as the Trinity, and their souls are cleansed so that they can enter fully into God's existence (Heaven).

Then why does the ritual of confession exist?
 
When you do that, you no longer take the bible to be literal. That the bible is symbolic in some passages and not for literal interpretation.

I've heard the same argument for miracles in the bible, they weren't literal but symbolic. For instance, feeding the multitude, not a literal miracle, but symbolic of spreading the word.

Its a big difference. There's a huge segment of the population believes the bible should be taken literally.

I am not one of those people. I believe that a lot of symbolism and metaphor was used in the bible to make it accessible to the people.
 
It is the Catholic teaching that those who desire to live a good life (i.e. those who do not worship Satan) will make it to purgatory. At that time, they come to full understanding that God exists, as the Trinity, and their souls are cleansed so that they can enter fully into God's existence (Heaven).

So someone who desires to live a good life but worships other gods will enter Heaven?

Again what would be the point of Christ dying on the cross if anyone who doesn't worship Satan will go to purgatory?

Why did the Apostles not write about purgatory? If Jesus granted them with the ability to forgive sin wouldn't He have mentioned purgatory?
 
It is the Catholic teaching that those who desire to live a good life (i.e. those who do not worship Satan) will make it to purgatory. At that time, they come to full understanding that God exists, as the Trinity, and their souls are cleansed so that they can enter fully into God's existence (Heaven).

I look at the current Catechism and don't see where anyone besides one who has received God's grace through Christ can even get to purgatory. And it seems Vatican II doesn't even view purgatory as a place but only a spiritual condition.
 
So someone who desires to live a good life but worships other gods will enter Heaven?

Again what would be the point of Christ dying on the cross if anyone who doesn't worship Satan will go to purgatory?

Why did the Apostles not write about purgatory? If Jesus granted them with the ability to forgive sin wouldn't He have mentioned purgatory?
Ever last word that Jesus uttered was not recorded. If Jesus knew that his Apostles were learned in the Septuagint, and purgatory is thoroughly covered in it, then why would he need to repeat it?
 
When you do that, you no longer take the bible to be literal. That the bible is symbolic in some passages and not for literal interpretation.

I've heard the same argument for miracles in the bible, they weren't literal but symbolic. For instance, feeding the multitude, not a literal miracle, but symbolic of spreading the word.

Its a big difference. There's a huge segment of the population believes the bible should be taken literally.

There are also huge segments of the population that believe the bible is a fairy tale, or that Jesus hasn't arrived. That doesn't alter my beliefs which have been filtered through my knowledge base and is faith with some logic applied. It is one reason I am a fan of intelligent design.
 
There are also huge segments of the population that believe the bible is a fairy tale, or that Jesus hasn't arrived. That doesn't alter my beliefs which have been filtered through my knowledge base and is faith with some logic applied. It is one reason I am a fan of intelligent design.

But your basically are saying, that the bible cannot be taken literally. That when it says the earth was created in 6 days, that is not literally 6 days. Thats opens a huge can of worms.
 
Negative. Your bible is simply incomplete. Those books were in the Septuagint and were in the Vulgate. Thus, they were around for almost 2,000 years before the protestants removed them to fit their agenda.
I find it amusing that you're using books that were around long before the New Covenant to talk about disposition of those not believing in Christ. You still sacrificing the first fruits?
 
But nothing based in a link of the Church? Nothing to prove to those who do not read your scriptures?
I don't need to prove anything to those who do not read the complete Bible. I have never tried to convert anyone, to include my wife. Since, I do not believe that them being Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Hindu, Muslim, or Shinto has any bearing on their ultimate salvation, I am not going to interfere with what provides them comfort in living a selfless life.

However, when people want to discuss differences, I will always voice the teachings of the Catholic Church. I will also conclude that these teachings are right.
 
Like I said, even the current Catholic Catechism says only those who have God's grace already have the period to purify even more. Nothing is said about those not within God's grace. Even Christians are not perfect. And nothing imperfect makes it into the final dwelling place with God. So as many Christians believe we will be transformed in this flesh and sin into a final being that meets the standards of dwelling eternally with God.
 
Like I said, read in to the 3 forms of baptism and see that there are a lot more, according the Catholic teaching, people who have received God's grace than those who have gone through the "formal" baptism in the Trinity.
 
A link to back that up?

I used to date a very catholic lady and found that there are several web sites that explain the catholic views on just about every subject. You should be able to google some of these and have your questions answered by a Priest.
 
I don't need to prove anything to those who do not read the complete Bible. I have never tried to convert anyone, to include my wife. Since, I do not believe that them being Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Hindu, Muslim, or Shinto has any bearing on their ultimate salvation, I am not going to interfere with what provides them comfort in living a selfless life.

However, when people want to discuss differences, I will always voice the teachings of the Catholic Church. I will also conclude that these teachings are right.

So let me get this straight. You demand proof, links, examples, etc. from others for their statements but when held to your own standard, you cannot follow it? I am not asking you to convert me. I am asking for proof that this is a belief of the Catholic church. I am asking you to apply your standard to yourself and back up your statement with proof. Anyone can voice the alleged teachings of the Catholic Church and claim whatever. But until you back it up just as others here have backed up their beliefs with Scripture, you're just making statements with no petras....
 
I used to date a very catholic lady and found that there are several web sites that explain the catholic views on just about every subject. You should be able to google some of these and have your questions answered by a Priest.

I'm asking the guy who made the claims to back them up. He's held others to that standard so I ask him to abide by his own.
 
But your basically are saying, that the bible cannot be taken literally. That when it says the earth was created in 6 days, that is not literally 6 days. Thats opens a huge can of worms.

Look at the different religions of the world that are based on the bible. I think my interpretation is a very small can of worms relative to the cans already open.
 

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