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#1,979
volmanic said:
New discussion:

What do you think about all these TV evangilist constantly asking for money. Saying "if you send us $1,000, God will bless you ten fold"

I personally think this is all a load of croc. Well if your so persisten on thinking we will get a blessing from God for sending you money, what I want to say is this> " how about you send me $1,000 and let God bless you, if your so persistent that he will do it" :)
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#1,981
#1,981
Who are we to judge anyone on their religion. I have the religion I was born into as do others. You can't control that.You are judged by God with the way you judge one another.I do grow tired of certain churches and denominations though. I think a lot are missing the point.
 
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#1,982
utfantilidie said:
Who are we to judge anyone on their religion. I have the religion I was born into as do others. You can't control that.You are judged by God with the way you judge one another.I do grow tired of certain churches and denominations though. I think a lot are missing the point.
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Correct....debating who God loves and doesn't love from a clouded human perspective is simply a fruitless waste of time.
 
#1,983
#1,983
utfantilidie said:
Who are we to judge anyone on their religion. I have the religion I was born into as do others. You can't control that.You are judged by God with the way you judge one another.I do grow tired of certain churches and denominations though. I think a lot are missing the point.
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a least you aren't judging those denominations.
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#1,984
BigPapaVol said:
a least you aren't judging those denominations.
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I really don't think he was judging denominations.

Interestingly enough when it comes to Christianity and apologetics on a world wide scale, it doesn't help that we have several versions of the bible, along with hundreds of denominational rules of interpretation to go along with it.

In my experience the biggest selling point for Islam is that they have one Koran and if you want to read it you have to learn Arabic.

While I realize that Islam has its own "mystical sects" that they chose to ignore, in general denominations make Christianity appear much more divided.

I like the freedom of debate within the faith, though I doubt it was really what Christ had in mind when he gave Peter the "keys to the Kingdom". It gets cloudy when we begin excluding some from the grace of God based on their interpretation of the Sacrament(s) or petty disagreements about dunking or sprinkling.
 
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#1,985
utfantilidie said:
Who are we to judge anyone on their religion. I have the religion I was born into as do others. You can't control that.You are judged by God with the way you judge one another.I do grow tired of certain churches and denominations though. I think a lot are missing the point.
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While we cannot control our birth, once we become of the age where we can think for ourselves, we have the ability to choose. God gives us the chance to explore the choices and follow what you believe irregardless of upbringing.
 
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rbroyles said:
While we cannot control our birth, once we become of the age where we can think for ourselves, we have the ability to choose. God gives us the chance to explore the choices and follow what you believe irregardless of upbringing.
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Many of the strongest Christians that I know, are not in the same denomination that they grew up in. The studying of the scriptures can be a very liberating and enlightening thing. The scriptures "speak" to every one in a different way and tell us that not all will follow the word.
I'm done...thanks for letting me rant.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Many of the strongest Christians that I know, are not in the same denomination that they grew up in. The studying of the scriptures can be a very liberating and enlightening thing. The scriptures "speak" to every one in a different way and tell us that not all will follow the word.
I'm done...thanks for letting me rant.
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Reading the word, taking classes on it and then going to different denominations (in fact I've been to several) lead me to believe there is no denomination that I truly support wholeheartedly. I find strengths and weaknesses with just about all of them. In fact I find differences from church to church. I've found the best thing is to take what I believe and go from there. Obviously I still learn many many things between all the different messages, but for whatever reason there's always chinks in the armor of the individual churches. I just try to stay at churches where I know I can be considered family, the people are God serving and I know i'm in a place where I can not only strive to continue to be a better Christian, but also serve God to the best of my ability.
 
#1,988
#1,988
rbroyles said:
While we cannot control our birth, once we become of the age where we can think for ourselves, we have the ability to choose. God gives us the chance to explore the choices and follow what you believe irregardless of upbringing.
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You are making a huge assumption here. At least 2/5 of the world's population faces huge constraints and limitations in either possesses the rational skills to actually think for themselves or having been exposed to any Christian theological texts and/or beliefs.
 
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therealUT said:
You are making a huge assumption here. At least 2/5 of the world's population faces huge constraints and limitations in either possesses the rational skills to actually think for themselves or having been exposed to any Christian theological texts and/or beliefs.
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i do not believe that he was speaking Globaly, probably speaking of everyday people right here in the US

I believe that a person has to be directly exposed to the Gospel to be held accountable for it
 
#1,990
#1,990
T-TownVol said:
i do not believe that he was speaking Globaly, probably speaking of everyday people right here in the US

I believe that a person has to be directly exposed to the Gospel to be held accountable for it
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I believe very few people fall in to that category. To be directly exposed to the Gospel, one would probably have to be told the Good News by the actual authors of the foor books.

Outside of that, the closest one could be would be to be so well versed in Greek Language and the History of the Language, that they could read the Gospel in its original form and understand it in the context of the time it was written.

At the present time, 2008, we are most certainly indirectly exposed to the Gospel, if we are exposed at all. There are numerous translations and connotations a multitude of verses. If someone reads the KJV version, are they believing in the words of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or are they believing in the whim of Queen Elizabeth? The same can be applied to every single translation, whether the translator be Calvin or St. Jerome.

For these reasons, I find it hard to believe that God, who is supposedly just and merciful, would keep not offer grace and salvation to people who truly desired, and acted towards that desire,to be good people.
 
#1,991
#1,991
woa there Mr. Theology, i guess that i have to choose my words a little more carefully for you. we usually do not get that deep in this thread. i only meant that a person has to hear the gospel to know how to be saved, if they have never been taught, how can they know that they are not saved.
If the have not heard the truth, they are not held accountable.
 
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#2,000
Ok, so I am watching the naked archeologist last night and he addressed something I have thought about and believe about Judas Iscariot.

I don't think he was the evil person or scapegoat he is made out to be.

Reading the gospels and checking history Judas was a zealot and zealots were known to as the extremists freedom fighters in their day. Their claim to fame was to carry multiple knives in their robes.

Ok, Judas saw the miracles of Jesus for three years and the man had to believe. I think that is fair to say. You know he was an extremists and I believe he turned Jesus in to force the Messiah's hand into forced combat to save himself. I believe Judas did not understand the true meaning of Christ's mission.

Interestingly, he turned Jesus into the Jesus leadership which had no authority to put Jesus to death. I believe Judas was betrayed by the Jewish leadership. When Jesus did not start the uprising that is when Judas saw what he had done and committed suicide.

Interesting enough, the naked archeologist, pretty much agrees with what I do, but he brought out something that I have never would have thought of. Judas hung himself in the burial area of the family of the man he turned Jesus over to in the Jewish leadership.
 
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