Bible Topic Thread (merged)

[WA_Vol]

I have a general question, I've asked before, but I will ask again.

Does anyone here except carbon dating, and believe the bible in the literal word of God. Because they disagree by billions of years on the age of the earth.

 

[therealUT]

I have a general question, I've asked before, but I will ask again.

Does anyone here except carbon dating, and believe the bible in the literal word of God. Because they disagree by billions of years on the age of the earth.

Well, if you take the Bible literally (as it was never meant to be taken), then the Bible is in disagreement with itself as to the creation of the Earth.

 

[gsvol]

I dont know, I am asking. If you are meant to die in a wreck would the fact that you buckled up save your life?

But will a spiritual buckle save your soul??

What if I'm reading a message board and someone makes a not so subtle suggestion that I kill myself?

Hmmm,....... let me think about that, dum de dum dum, uh....don't do it anyway??

All I'm asking is do you think every person (given time doesn't end) has a specific way of dying?

It's not God's will that we die at all, on the contrary His message is all about eternal life.

This was a couple years back but my family and I were coming back from Church on a Wednesday night and a deer was getting ready to run into the passenger side of our van, where my wife was sitting, and all of a sudden the deer was gone. I looked in the rear view mirror and screamed to my wife that the deer had just jumped over our car.

It was crazy!

I almost lost most of my family due to deer on the roads in two days a few years ago.

Not more than half a mile away my wife and oldest daughter were coming home just after dark and a deer ran out and at impact it looked for all the world like it was coming through the windshield but miraculously it cleared the top of the car.

The next evening my son was coming in late on his bike which had 160 on the speedometer and I have no doubt he was exceeding the speed limit when he rounded a curve and a herd of about twenty deer came running across the road. He said he hit the brakes hard and missed all the deer but one ran into him.

The bike went end over end for a few hundred feet as he slid down the road, fortunately the bike never landed on him and he had no broken bones. I counted 19 separate skid marks on his helmet and his racing jacket
was in complete tatters. The bike was totaled and that was his last one, I'm so happy about that.

Also happy that both those kids have become parents this past year.

I had a dream once that my youngest daughter was involved in a bad accident and the girl riding with her was killed.

In a matter of days she was driving home from Texas and on the way she was driving about the speed limit passing a line of slower moving cars and trucks and six or eight other cars who wanted to drive faster were lined up behind her and then all of a sudden some idiot whipped out in front of her doing about fifty and her only option was to hit the brakes and take the shoulder of the interstate.

Her car did a three sixty and came to a stop off the pavement with no real harm done. One nice guy who had been in line behind her stopped and backed up to where she was sitting, trembling and trying to get herself together. She said he reached in and patted her on her shoulder and complimented her driving, saying if she hadn't been so quick to avoid the idiot, there would have been a very nasty pile up. I was glad she hadn't given a ride to one of her friends.

Deer are amazing athletes, and very tasty when cooked properly....you were in God's hands my man

One morning I was speeding down a country road on my way to a golf tournament and since I was late anyway because my son had borrowed my clubs without telling me and had left them at someone else's house requiring me to waste thirty minutes retrieving my bag and not only that about six cars were all tailgating behind me and so I wasn't letting any grass grow underneath my shadow.

Just after going as fast as I dared through a series of curves and putting the peddle to the metal on a straight stretch, I glanced in my rear view to see if I had put any distance on the tailgaters and when I looked back at the road there came a big barren doe at full gallop right in front of me.

I had no time to hit the brakes but swerved hard to the left to avoid her but didn't quite clear her, striking her right in the butt as she was about to jump off the road over a fence, her jump, along with the impact of my car launched her way into the air and she did a complete summersault and landed on her feet in a field to the right and ran off into the woods without even a limp.

I'll bet she might have sat in the creek later to sooth those sore buttocks, a little borrowed duct tape from the golf pro had my headlight pointing back at the highway for my trip home that night.:thumbsup:

 

[gsvol]

So, are you implying that the laws of science and nature would not apply to the undiscovered universe???

Hold on, I thought we had discovered the universe, I must be ahead of my time.

 

[gsvol]

I have a general question, I've asked before, but I will ask again.

Does anyone here except carbon dating, and believe the bible in the literal word of God. Because they disagree by billions of years on the age of the earth.

You mean 'accept' carbon dating?

Well yeah, I would accept a date with a carbon, if she were pretty good looking.

There have been problems with the theory of carbon dating in the past as in the case of the bristlecone pine which can be traced back 4,500 years by it's annual rings. After study of that data the carbon dating method was revised because a preponderance of evidence proved the original method was flawed.

If carbon dating can be proven to be in error over that short of a period, then anything beyond 4,500 years is theoretical, don't you agree?

Do the laws of physics change, or are they constant for an infinite amount of time?

We are pretty sure that life on Earth has gone through tremendous, sudden changes a various points in history.

Any bit of matter, however large or small, can be changed into another form of matter under certain circumstances. So does the age of the matter really matter????

The bottom line is that the universe has no beginning and has no end, it is, it always has been, and it always will be. So picking out some small sample of that and proving how long it has been in the state in which it now exists proves nothing other than the fact that it is presently in some state and theoretically it has been in that state for X number of years, that doesn't prove it has been combined with many other samples for the same X number of years, does it?

 

[gsvol]

Gsvol...... you are one strange cat and I like it!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what she said, you aren't making any points with me impersonating my wife.:no:

Well, if you take the Bible literally (as it was never meant to be taken), then the Bible is in disagreement with itself as to the creation of the Earth.

How so kimosabe?:huh:

 

[therealUT]

How so kimosabe?:huh:

Compare the order of creation in Genesis 1 against that of Genesis 2.

 

[coffeevol]

Talk of Carbon dating and the earth only being around 6000 years old, I don't buy that. I think humans have only been around for around that time but when God is speaking of the creation it states that his days are not like our days, God knows no time meaning time isn't revelant to him, so in my mind I gues I have always thought that it happened in ages or eras, I mean we really do not know and that is what makes God so awesome. What so many people struggle with is the fact of saying I don't know all the facts but I still have faith in this, where the unbelievers will simply say that is what makes us so silly is the "blind faith" so it will never make sense.

 

[gsvol]

Compare the order of creation in Genesis 1 against that of Genesis 2.

Ok, now having made that comparison, what is it specifically that you think the Bible is disagreement with itself about in it's attempt to explain creation???

Have you ever heard the feminist story of creation???

 

[therealUT]

Ok, now having made that comparison, what is it specifically that you think the Bible is disagreement with itself about in it's attempt to explain creation???

First story of creation:
1. Heavens and Earth
2. Light
3. Darkness
4. The sky
5. Earth
6. Sea
7. Vegetation
8. The Sun
9. The Moon
10. Sea creatures
11. Birds
12. Land based creatures
13. Man

Second Story of Creation:
1. Earth and Heavens
2. A stream
3. Man
4. Trees
5. Wild animals
6. Birds

Taken literally, Genesis 2 most definitely conflicts with Genesis 1.

Have you ever heard the feminist story of creation???

No. I get the feeling that I am going to, though...

 

[rjd970]

It is interesting too that there are two lists of the 10 commandments as well...in Exodus and Deuteronomy, both of which are different. This is the only part of the Bible supposedly physically written by God himself. Seems to me these should be the greatest words on morality ever written, in any language, in all history....and we have two different lists, and half of the commandments don't even address morality.

 

[wbailey7]

I really hope there still aren't people out there that take the bible literally....I really hope.

 

[rjd970]

I really hope there still aren't people out there that take the bible literally....I really hope.

As of May 2007, almost a third of Americans do.

One-Third of Americans Believe the Bible is Literally True

But hey, I guess you can't prove it actually isn't the literal word of God. That is good enough for most around here.

 

[wbailey7]

As of May 2007, almost a third of Americans do.

One-Third of Americans Believe the Bible is Literally True

But hey, I guess you can't prove it actually isn't the literal word of God. That is good enough for most around here.

Lol, at least it's only one-thrid. I'm a deist, but I mean to believe that the entire bible should be interpreted literally is a stretch. I could see some of the stories being true, but seriously.....Noah and the Ark? Parting the Red Sea? I'm sorry if I insulted anyone, but come on.

 

[gsvol]

First story of creation:
1. Heavens and Earth
2. Light
3. Darkness
4. The sky
5. Earth
6. Sea
7. Vegetation
8. The Sun
9. The Moon
10. Sea creatures
11. Birds
12. Land based creatures
13. Man

Second Story of Creation:
1. Earth and Heavens
2. A stream
3. Man
4. Trees
5. Wild animals
6. Birds

Taken literally, Genesis 2 most definitely conflicts with Genesis 1.

Don't forget the day of rest.

I have no doubt there are those far better qualified to discuss this than I, there is always something lost when translating from one language to another.

Here is my interpretation briefly; chapter one, creation. chapter two, alterations and improvements.

After all chapter two starts with the day of rest, the seventh day, then the rest of that chapter is a recap imo.

Suffice it to say there is plenty we do not understand no matter how you look at it.

No. I get the feeling that I am going to, though...

Well if you want to, do you??

Some people don't like jokes about religious matters but our word "jovial", meaning light hearted or cheerful, from the Hebrew word of God, Jove or Jehovah.

 

[therealUT]

The Catholic Church has held for over 1600 years that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are the First Creation Story and Second Creation Story, respectively. Of course, the Catholic Church has maintained that the Bible is a mix of historical truth and allegorical truth for 1600 years, well
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[gsvol]

You are correct. Math is math and natural law applies to all of nature (not just nature here on Earth or in our solar system). Therefore, regardless of your dodge in which you jump to the "the universe could contain life elsewhere" and still does not get rid of the inconvenient fact that according to the laws of nature something cannot ever come from nothing.

But does "nothing" really exist or just the theory of nothing??

Talk of Carbon dating and the earth only being around 6000 years old, I don't buy that. I think humans have only been around for around that time but when God is speaking of the creation it states that his days are not like our days, God knows no time meaning time isn't revelant to him, so in my mind I gues I have always thought that it happened in ages or eras, I mean we really do not know and that is what makes God so awesome. What so many people struggle with is the fact of saying I don't know all the facts but I still have faith in this, where the unbelievers will simply say that is what makes us so silly is the "blind faith" so it will never make sense.

How about some people, like when it lists the age of the patriarchs, it seems each lived just a bit longer until Methuselah who lived 969 years, was the grandfather of Noah and incidentally died the year of the great flood.

(For the skeptics, there is overwhelming geological evidence that the Earth did indeed undergo a great flood at some point in it's history)

But what of Methuselah's father Enoch??

Genesis 18; 21-24:

[21] Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah.

[22] After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.

[23] So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.

[24] And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

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Well that's their business. When Peter asked about others who were going about Baptizing in the name of Jesus and Peter didn't know them, Jesus told Peter that if they be for us they be not against us.

So spitting hairs about what different people believe when the basic part of their message is the same, doesn't make a lot of sense.

We are getting a much needed addition to our local hospital and the largest grant has come from a Catholic women's charity so if their official doctrine about the first two chapters of Genesis isn't what I might think, who cares, a good work is done.

 

[JZVOL]

What if I'm reading a message board and someone makes a not so subtle suggestion that I kill myself?

I would tell you to not worry about it. It's a rite of passage on VN for hatvol to tell you that.

 

[Brog]

(For the skeptics, there is overwhelming geological evidence that the Earth did indeed undergo a great flood at some point in it's history)

Wow, this is absolutely not true in the slightest. Almost every tenant of "flood geology" has been refuted by the scientific community and are viewed as incorrect.

 

[KB5252]

Wow, this is absolutely not true in the slightest. Almost every tenant of "flood geology" has been refuted by the scientific community and are viewed as incorrect.

I don't know about the geology involved but there is evidence for large scale flooding in many areas on earth. Then you also have the tales of a great flood in most of the ancient civilizations.

 

[Brog]

There has been plenty of great "local" floods in history but there is no evidence to support an entire world flood.

 

[KB5252]

There has been plenty of great "local" floods in history but there is no evidence to support an entire world flood.

Well there certainly appears to have been a period in earths history when "great floods" plagued many areas. Enough so that it would cause many civilizations to notice and give rize to the many stories.

 

[Fine Vol]

well there certainly appears to have been a period in earths history when "great floods" plagued many areas. Enough so that it would cause many civilizations to notice and give rize to the many stories.

great floods lol

 

[gsvol]

Wow, this is absolutely not true in the slightest. Almost every tenant of "flood geology" has been refuted by the scientific community and are viewed as incorrect.

Well in many cases the scientific community is slow to revise it's theories to say the least.

Doesn't the scientific community still reject the theories of Heyerdahl??

There have been cases where the scientific community has rejected theories for a century but then science discovered the rejected theory to be correct, by scientific method.

I think it's interesting that Enoch lived 365 years (according to the Bible), which is one year for each day it takes Earth to orbit the Earth and some claim that Lao Tse lived 249 years which is equal to the amount of time it takes Pluto to orbit the sun. Lao Tse claimed to have learned his wisdom from immortals and at the end of his life it is said he said; "I have enjoyed all the pleasures of man and I have imparted all the wisdom I have and now I go." Then they said he lay down, crossed his arms over his chest, closed his eyes and his spirit departed.

This past summer a novel was published, authored by Frank Durham titled "Cain's Version." Durham is a retired physics teacher and has a flowing easy to read style. He presents some interesting ideas. Just thought I'd throw that in there, doesn't much to do with what we're discussing here.

 

[little jon]

i was raised reading KJV of the bible and like it best but also the new and old testament are on my shelf. hows abouts you?:crazy: