Biden admin denied females pregnancy leave

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utvols88 said:
You can lay them off or fire them if it's not for going on maternity leave. Then it's illegal. Gov policies may be different. If you extend x amount of maternity or parental leave, they should be able to complete the previously approved amount. This sets a precedent that is solely partisan rather than merit of the issue itself and that is a disgusting feature in the political landscape, currently.
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I don't know the law, but I'm just speaking for what I saw from my own company, if a layoff came and someone was on medical leave they couldn't/wouldn't lay them off until their medical leave either expired or they got well.
 
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Kristy* said:
Sorry. I guess I read it wrong. The couple I read about had a child a few weeks ago and were expecting 12 weeks of paid leave each - both government employees - which seems excessive. The man went back to work early after the riot with the understanding he could resume his leave later. They both were terminated and lose paid benefits after the presidential change. It's an interesting case since they had already begun their leave.
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Paternity leave is crap anyway in my opinion. I get taking time off to help the mother but I used something called good old vacation time. I know it’s crazy but it could require forward thought and this silly notion called planning. In a normal situation I get a father taking a week or so to help out and spend time with the baby but taking 1 month, 2 months, some even 3, is ridiculous unless there is something unique going on.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
They were informed they weren't getting the full leave time well before Biden took office. One couple was notified on December 17 and another on January 5. It wasn't partisan, it was a case of the people that told them their pay would extend past termination in the first place not knowing what they were talking about.
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You go on leave focusing on the baby. It's not a case of something sitting. I actually think it's worse that they were contacted about it a month prior. Cant claim ignorance. Federally mandated maternity leave is 12 weeks. A month is only a third of that. I'm not saying they broke the law but it's certainly a bad look. I'd like to see what prior admins did in a similar situation. Because if they honored it and this is a rare occasion, is it really worth the repercussions of the next admin doing the same thing? I don't think it is.
 
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VolStrom said:
I don't know the law, but I'm just speaking for what I saw from my own company, if a layoff came and someone was on medical leave they couldn't/wouldn't lay them off until their medical leave either expired or they got well.
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That's probably because they wanted to do the right thing or avoid potential suits. It opens them up to being sued for wrongful termination that have to convince a jury they aren't the devil for firing a new mother
 
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utvols88 said:
You go on leave focusing on the baby. It's not a case of something sitting. I actually think it's worse that they were contacted about it a month prior. Cant claim ignorance. Federally mandated maternity leave is 12 weeks. A month is only a third of that. I'm not saying they broke the law but it's certainly a bad look. I'd like to see what prior admins did in a similar situation. Because if they honored it and this is a rare occasion, is it really worth the repercussions of the next admin doing the same thing? I don't think it is.
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If these were typical employees I might be more sympathetic, but they're political appointees and before they took the job they knew they were out on January 20, 2021 if Trump lost. I tend to look at this more like somebody giving two weeks notice, then finding out they're pregnant and wanting the money for all their parental leave.
 
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utvols88 said:
That's probably because they wanted to do the right thing or avoid potential suits. It opens them up to being sued for wrongful termination that have to convince a jury they aren't the devil for firing a new mother
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I guarantee they weren't worried about "doing the right thing", it was all about the fear of lawsuits.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Paternity leave is crap anyway in my opinion. I get taking time off to help the mother but I used something called good old vacation time. I know it’s crazy but it could require forward thought and this silly notion called planning. In a normal situation I get a father taking a week or so to help out and spend time with the baby but taking 1 month, 2 months, some even 3, is ridiculous unless there is something unique going on.
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My husband got a week paternity, and it was very helpful. We were in the hospital for a couple of days, plus my c-section recovery made it difficult to get up on my own for a few days after being home. But you're right. If his company didn't give him the time, he would have planned to use his vacation time.

In any situation, 12 weeks seems completely unjustifiable for paternity leave. I think FMLA allows up to 12 weeks for maternity or paternity leave, but companies are under no obligation to pay that time.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
If these were typical employees I might be more sympathetic, but they're political appointees and before they took the job they knew they were out on January 20, 2021 if Trump lost. I tend to look at this more like somebody giving two weeks notice, then finding out they're pregnant and wanting the money for all their parental leave.
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It's not like that at all though. The time frames are far wider. These people HAD their baby already or were very close to term. That's a 9 month planning period. Not last minute to two weeks. Pregnant women have a hard time getting new jobs. They can at least honor the womens leave.

It's a bad look.
 
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Kristy* said:
My husband got a week paternity, and it was very helpful. We were in the hospital for a couple of days, plus my c-section recovery made it difficult to get up on my own for a few days after being home. But you're right. If his company didn't give him the time, he would have planned to use his vacation time.

In any situation, 12 weeks seems completely unjustifiable for paternity leave. I think FMLA allows up to 12 weeks for maternity or paternity leave, but companies are under no obligation to pay that time.
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I had 12 weeks and it was very beneficial for me and my wife to focus on our family with that acclimation period. No companies aren't obligated but it's a great benefit for a work life balance.
 
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utvols88 said:
I had 12 weeks and it was very beneficial for me and my wife to focus on our family with that acclimation period. No companies aren't obligated but it's a great benefit for a work life balance.
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I had the weekend.
 
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When my first child was born I took 4 days off. My boss made me apply vacation days for 2 of them while a coworker got paid for the full 4 days because he came in and handed out cigars. We had different bosses and payback was a bitch.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's not like that at all though. The time frames are far wider. These people HAD their baby already or were very close to term. That's a 9 month planning period. Not last minute to two weeks. Pregnant women have a hard time getting new jobs. They can at least honor the womens leave.

It's a bad look.
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I just don't see why someone would expect pay to outlast the job in the first place. Granted someone told them it would at some point so it does look bad, but I put this on government HR functionaries rather than Trump or Biden.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I just don't see why someone would expect pay to outlast the job in the first place. Granted someone told them it would at some point so it does look bad, but I put this on government HR functionaries rather than Trump or Biden.
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I agree with you on HR issues on the situation existing but Bidens admin had a moment to appear compassionate. They failed.
 
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utvolpj said:
Should people no longer employed by the federal govt still receive paid maternity leave?
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I think the question is, can the government fire you while you are on maternity leave? Perhaps there is an attorney on here who knows the answer to that question.
 
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Wireless1 said:
I think the question is, can the government fire you while you are on maternity leave? Perhaps there is an attorney on here who knows the answer to that question.
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Are political appointees and their staff really fired? They knew in Nov this was coming to an end
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Paternity leave is crap anyway in my opinion. I get taking time off to help the mother but I used something called good old vacation time. I know it’s crazy but it could require forward thought and this silly notion called planning. In a normal situation I get a father taking a week or so to help out and spend time with the baby but taking 1 month, 2 months, some even 3, is ridiculous unless there is something unique going on.
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It's called an attractive benefit that costs zero cash. Very common.
 
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utvolpj said:
Are political appointees and their staff really fired? They knew in Nov this was coming to an end
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I think a lot of the legal questions would depend on the hiring process and how pay works.

I dont think any seasonal work benefits extend beyond that season.
 
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VolStrom said:
If the workers were on medical leave when they were "laid off" I'm pretty sure the the .gov is required to pay them until their leave is exhausted. At least when I was working that's what we had to do as a private company, you couldn't lay someone off that was put on medical leave/disability.
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I have a friend that was warned his department was being eliminated, he scheduled back to back knee replacements that extended his employment nearly 6 months (10 weeks at full pay, the balance on LTD,) then he got the severance package on top of that.
 
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Wonder if any of them had time to plant a few "used" diapers in the nooks and crannies of their offices before the next "political appointee" was installed?
 
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