Big Ten going after Texas

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I just can't see TX going to the slow 10, would they give up the Red River Rivalry game, not play A&M or TX Tech? No I don't think so, outside of the midwest and ESPN every one knows the slow 10 is a joke.

Now say Mizzu gets invited and Arky lives up to the states mental reputation and jumps to the Big 12, I do think TX would jump at the chance at joining the SEC. Down here is where the $$$$ are not in the mid west.
 
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hog88 said:
I just can't see TX going to the slow 10, would they give up the Red River Rivalry game, not play A&M or TX Tech? No I don't think so, outside of the midwest and ESPN every one knows the slow 10 is a joke.

Now say Mizzu gets invited and Arky lives up to the states mental reputation and jumps to the Big 12, I do think TX would jump at the chance at joining the SEC. Down here is where the $$$$ are not in the mid west.
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I don't think texas would join the SEC... too good of competition. Currently, they can sleepwalk their way to a 10 win season and BCS bowl. And with the way they've been beating OU on the recruiting trail, they are about to start sleep walking their way to big 12 titles.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
No way Texas does this. Wouldn't make sense.
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Yes it does.

Money.

Money.

Money.

Texas is worth far more than any other college athletics program in the country, and the Big Ten is worth far more than any other conference in college athletics.

TXVOL07 said:
I heard the PAC 10 was looking to scoop up BYU and possibly Colorado.

Texas moving is news to me though.
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Texas is the coveted prize right now.

The Pac-10 ought to have BYU on top of their boards, though, for a few reasons. BYU represents a lot of money and a LOT of people. Their fans travel extremely well, especially in the western US, they experience a pretty good level of success given their conference (which would only improve upon entering a major conference). They have a slightly smaller version of the "Notre Dame effect."

Colorado = Denver market. 'Nuff said.

The_Orange_Pearl said:
Colorado? Why would they skip over Boise State and Utah for Colorado? Sick.

As for the Big 10, they could also look at Louisville and West Virginia. Kentucky too but I don't think Kentucky would leave the SEC.
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Again, Colorado = Denver. Boise has built themselves a decent football program on major conference leftovers, but in the end, they're in a po-dunk town with no money, a small market, and a third-rate public university.

I still think the Big Ten really ought to be courting Pitt the most.

droski said:
colorado and utah can be debated.
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Utah is also on the Pac-10's radar... Even though they have some proximity to BYU, they are appealing for two entirely different reasons. Carrying Salt Lake would be a plus. Utes sports programs are also all-around pretty good, but the downsides are that the fanbase doesn't travel very well, and Utah as a school isn't on the same level as most Pac-10 institutions. Utah would be far-fetched IMO.

Fresno is also out. Nothing but knocks against them
- Football program isn't that good anymore
- Located BFN
- Cal State system, Cal and UCLA might have issues with this
- Third-rate school with a disconnected alum base
 
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General Jack said:
I don't think texas would join the SEC... too good of competition. Currently, they can sleepwalk their way to a 10 win season and BCS bowl. And with the way they've been beating OU on the recruiting trail, they are about to start sleep walking their way to big 12 titles.
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Brown's been consistently finishing ahead of OU in the Polls That Make Star Gazers Hard for the entirety of Stoops' tenure in Norman. How many Big 12 titles has that gotten the guy? News flash: Brown has yet to win a Big 12 title in a season where Stoops doesn't start a freshman at QB for the majority of the year.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Brown's been consistently finishing ahead of OU in the Polls That Make Star Gazers Hard for the entirety of Stoops' tenure in Norman. How many Big 12 titles has that gotten the guy? News flash: Brown has yet to win a Big 12 title in a season where Stoops doesn't start a freshman at QB for the majority of the year.
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You're right, but I can't seeing him being better off anywhere else. He barely wins in the Big 12. He'd be screwed in the SEC.
 
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Why not Big Ten, then? About as easy to win the conference, more exposure, TV money... What's not to like?
 
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I still think when and if the Big 10 adds a team it will either be Mizzou,Pitt or Rutgers. Just don't see any chance Texas leaves for the B10. Also us or UK leaving for the ACC will never happen.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Brown's been consistently finishing ahead of OU in the Polls That Make Star Gazers Hard for the entirety of Stoops' tenure in Norman. How many Big 12 titles has that gotten the guy? News flash: Brown has yet to win a Big 12 title in a season where Stoops doesn't start a freshman at QB for the majority of the year.
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Hat, historically you are correct, Stoops over Brown equated to Spurrier over fulmer. But the trend is there, texas has beaten OU 4 out of the last 5, and Mack is now beating out OU for the most coveted recruits head to head, this year's example was Jackson Jeffcoat. In the past, Stoops would get the Adrian Peterson types when recruiting head to head; not so much anymore. And Mack's MO is similar to fulmer in his prime, he'll beat you buy "out-talenting" rather than outcoaching. And with the way texas is recruiting over the past 4-5 years, they can out-talent every program in the big 12, OU included.

I'm not a texas apologist at all... its infuriating to me that they can sleepwalk their way to 10+ wins and a BCS bowl year in year out. But the sad reality is that their program is surpassing OU despite the coaching advantage that Stoops has over Brown. The best players in texas grew up watching texas win... and as of tomorrow, ~50% of the best players in texas will likely have already committed to texas for the 2011 class because of their junior camp this weekend.
 
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milohimself said:
Why not Big Ten, then? About as easy to win the conference, more exposure, TV money... What's not to like?
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Cross country travel for one. Texas athletic dept can afford it, but players parents and fans not always.
Getting to Waco, College Station and Stillwater from Austin is much easier than getting to East Lansing, Happy Valley and Bloomington. And why would texas want to play conference games in Minnesota in November?? Also, texas would be moving away from its base. It makes sense to play in a conference where you reside, for marketing, fan interest etc.

Finally, on money, texas is the highest revenue producing school currently, other than greed, there is no reason to go on a money grab.
 
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General Jack said:
I'm not a texas apologist at all... its infuriating to me that they can sleepwalk their way to 10+ wins and a BCS bowl year in year out. But the sad reality is that their program is surpassing OU despite the coaching advantage that Stoops has over Brown. The best players in texas grew up watching texas win... and as of tomorrow, ~50% of the best players in texas will likely have already committed to texas for the 2011 class because of their junior camp this weekend.
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You're going a little to far there. Oklahoma will take over again very soon. Mack Brown hit the jackpot with Vince Young and turned his final into a great recruiting class. They're still recruiting well, but Stoops will restart his dominance.
 
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General Jack said:
Cross country travel for one. Texas athletic dept can afford it, but players parents and fans not always.
Getting to Waco, College Station and Stillwater from Austin is much easier than getting to East Lansing, Happy Valley and Bloomington. And why would texas want to play conference games in Minnesota in November?? Also, texas would be moving away from its base. It makes sense to play in a conference where you reside, for marketing, fan interest etc.

Finally, on money, texas is the highest revenue producing school currently, other than greed, there is no reason to go on a money grab.
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If your refering to the weather wouldn't be much difference than playing at Nebraska or Colorado in November would it?
 
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tvolsfan said:
You're going a little to far there. Oklahoma will take over again very soon. Mack Brown hit the jackpot with Vince Young and turned his final into a great recruiting class. They're still recruiting well, but Stoops will restart his dominance.
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I hope you're right. Texas needs at least one program to provide more than a worn down speed bump's worth of resistant.

However, the trend I'm seeing has texas already overtaken OU. They've won 4 of the last 5, and are winning head to head recruiting battles that they used to lose.
 
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General Jack said:
I hope you're right. Texas needs at least one program to provide more than a worn down speed bump's worth of resistant.

However, the trend I'm seeing has texas already overtaken OU. They've won 4 of the last 5, and are winning head to head recruiting battles that they used to lose.
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They've won favorable matchpus. They won this past year because OU was crippled. I don't expect it to last longer. I don't see it going back to the days of 65-13, but Stoops will win more than lose in my opinion.
 
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tvolsfan said:
They've won favorable matchpus. They won this past year because OU was crippled. I don't expect it to last longer. I don't see it going back to the days of 65-13, but Stoops will win more than lose in my opinion.
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Again, hope that you're right, but from where I'm sitting the balance of power has already shifted in texas' favor.

Texas beat OU straight up in 2008 when OU was at full strength and went on to play in the national title game. Now that texas has a legit DC (and with the talent that falls into their lap) they are going to be a tough out.

The big 12 really needs Nebraska to return to prominence (and I think they're on the way...), and it wouldn't hurt for A&M to become a top 25 program again.
 
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mchandl7 said:
Why would Arkansas throw away the best TV contract deal of any coference to join the BigXII, especially the bigXII minus Texas and Colorado. Arkansas won't leave.

The Big10 will only take a school that is an AAU member, which Texas is(interestingly Notre Dame isn't). With all teams taking charter flights to games anyway its not that big of a deal. Texas state legislature (which forced Texas Tech and Baylor into the BigXII or they wouldnt let Texas and atm join) may stop it. Big 10 likes the move for the expanded TV deal, added foot print into the South. Texas likes it by improving the quality of school they will be associated with, Texas is currently somewhat slumming with the other BIGXII schools academically.

Colorado fits fairly well with the PAC10 while expanding their media market into Denver. Problem is there isnt anyone else that fits good. BYU or Utah might get some consideration but this expansion makes less sense.
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Because Arkansas will never ever win the SEC in anything, other than track. Their recruiting base is in Texas. Eventually their fans are going to tire of being also rans, just like our fans will after 19-20 years without a SEC football championship.
 
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rockydoc said:
Because Arkansas will never ever win the SEC in anything, other than track. Their recruiting base is in Texas. Eventually their fans are going to tire of being also rans, just like our fans will after 19-20 years without a SEC football championship.
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It's been 11 and I'm already tired of it.
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