Biggest offseason questions/improvements...

#51
#51
zansdad said:
Golden doesn't concern me. He proved last off-season that he would do the work to get better. I think Stanton (sp?) is the key. If he can play 10-15 solid minutes this team can be pretty good. If they have to go back to playing a freshman backup and Golden playing 32-35 minutes a night then they won't be much better next year than this year. Unless Moore is just all world and I will believe that when I see it.
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I don't think Moore will be all world, but to say hell be comparable to washpun is an insult. Either Moore or Stanton will be serviceable and hopefully be able to play 10 minutes at backup PG.

Who knows, ideal scenario is Stanton finds his junior year in HS form, and can be a starting PG for us. Not holding my breath on that though.
 
#52
#52
bleedingTNorange said:
Negate the sec t as that was neutral technically....

Road: 13/45 29%
Home: 39/85 46%
Neutral: 11/21 52%

The fact he has shot twice as many at home as away, and is still much more accurate really shows the inconsistency.
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I agree he shot better at home than away. I just think the disparity was a little less late in the season.
 
#53
#53
bleedingTNorange said:
I don't think Moore will be all world, but to say hell be comparable to washpun is an insult. Either Moore or Stanton will be serviceable and hopefully be able to play 10 minutes at backup PG.

Who knows, ideal scenario is Stanton finds his junior year in HS form, and can be a starting PG for us. Not holding my breath on that though.
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I simply said freshmen. Having to depend on Freshman 3 star players in the SEC is not generally a recipe for success. A Moore/Washpun comparison is not something I intended.
 
#54
#54
zansdad said:
I simply said freshmen. Having to depend on Freshman 3 star players in the SEC is not generally a recipe for success. A Moore/Washpun comparison is not something I intended.
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Yep. Aaron Craft has been a 3 star bust.
Sarcasm aside, you don't know til you get them on the floor.
 
#55
#55
zansdad said:
I agree he shot better at home than away. I just think the disparity was a little less late in the season.
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The last 5 away games of the year shot 8/26 31%. I think the perception was maybe just from the Florida away game In which he went 4/7, He shot 3/13 after that in the final 3 away games of the season.
 
#56
#56
zansdad said:
I simply said freshmen. Having to depend on Freshman 3 star players in the SEC is not generally a recipe for success. A Moore/Washpun comparison is not something I intended.
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My apologies, when you said " If they have to go back to playing a freshman backup" I took it as a reference to washpun last year.
 
#58
#58
bleedingTNorange said:
Caliban,

Expectations for Stanton?
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He'll be good enough to get some needed rest for Golden.

Let's build a team with 3 stars.
Craft
Lofton
Miles Plumlee
Draymond Green
Ezeli

What 3 stars would you add?
Bradshaw coming off the bench.
 
#59
#59
calban said:
He'll be good enough to get some needed rest for Golden.

Let's build a team with 3 stars.
Craft
Lofton
Miles Plumlee
Draymond Green
Ezeli

What 3 stars would you add?
Bradshaw coming off the bench.
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You expect him to get backup PG minutes over Moore?
Jajaun smith?
 
#60
#60
zansdad said:
Dude finished 9th in the SEC in 3pt fg% NCAA Basketball Stats - Full College Basketball Team and Player Stats - FOX Sports on MSN

Not to shabby for a former walk-on.
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former walk on as in currently taking up a scholarship. To be a 3 point specialist and not being able to throw the ball in the ocean one night and hitting everything the next just doesn't cut it when that's all you bring to the table offensively. He needs to be WAY more consistant and bring something other than a 3 point shot that 9/10 times, he can't create for himself. I dont want to turn this into a hate on McBee thread but he needs more consistancy and he needs something other than a 3 point shot if he's going to play starter minutes IMO.
 
#62
#62
Shaun1985 said:
I agree with this. He also stepped up defensively at the end as well.
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As I pointed he was horrible at the end of the year from 3 as well, it got better but from around 20% to 30% in the last 5 away games, that's still not good for a "3 pt specialist". Also, he was 3/13 the final 3 away games, less than 25%.
 
#63
#63
bleedingTNorange said:
You expect him to get backup PG minutes over Moore?
Jajaun smith?
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Walk on. That's not fair.

I think we'll see both in pre-conference.
Will be like this season.
10 man rotation until conference play.

Need some 3 star guards?
Nasir Robinson
Erving walker

My point. I'm not too concerned about stars right now.
We've got a guy that can definitely develop talent.
We might have a Future Draymond Green or Chris Lofton hidden in the stars right now.

And 3 star Bobby Maze wasn't too bad either.
 
#64
#64
Agree. Pre conference may be that 10 or 11 man rotation again, almost a tryout for when it gets trimmed to 9 guys.
 
#65
#65
bleedingTNorange said:
The last 5 away games of the year shot 8/26 31%. I think the perception was maybe just from the Florida away game In which he went 4/7, He shot 3/13 after that in the final 3 away games of the season.
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I thought he shot well at USCar. Oh well it doesn't matter really. If we are talking about McBee's 3 pt FG% again this time next year we probably had another less than stellar season.
 
#67
#67
calban said:
He'll be good enough to get some needed rest for Golden.

Let's build a team with 3 stars.
Craft
Lofton
Miles Plumlee
Draymond Green
Ezeli

What 3 stars would you add?
Bradshaw coming off the bench.
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That's like taking the field at the WSOP. You got numbers on your side and eventually, out of a couple thousand 3 stars, someone finds a gem. Doesn't mean that banking your success on one of them as a freshman is a good idea. For every Chris Lofton, there are a thousand guys that never sniff the floor at a major level.
 
#68
#68
zansdad said:
I thought he shot well at USCar. Oh well it doesn't matter really. If we are talking about McBee's 3 pt FG% again this time next year we probably had another less than stellar season.
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He did 2/5, but that was right after a 0/6, that's that inconsistency thing. Exactly though, if this teams going to perform at its fullest, sadly mcbee will see very few minutes.

I like the guy but its true. As someone else said, if Mcbees still starting next year it means we probably aren't much better than we were this year.
 
#69
#69
bleedingTNorange said:
He did 2/5, but that was right after a 0/6, that's that inconsistency thing. Exactly though, if this teams going to perform at its fullest, sadly mcbee will see very few minutes.

I like the guy but its true. As someone else said, if Mcbees still starting next year it means we probably aren't much better than we were this year.
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3pt shooting percentages vary wildly due to the limited number of attempts a game. But, yeah, the oh-fers on the road gotta stop.
 
#70
#70
zansdad said:
3pt shooting percentages vary wildly due to the limited number of attempts a game. But, yeah, the oh-fers on the road gotta stop.
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As Ive said my biggest pet peeve is if you're a 3 point specialist, you've got to knock down the open ones. Nothing is more disheartening IMO than your big man working hard, making a great pass to a wide open shooter who happens to be your 3 point man, and him clanging it.

This isn't jut skylar either, although he's the guy that has to make that open lockout 9/10 times. But trae an whoever else is our on the wings, your gotta make the D pay and reward the big man for that pass.

Gahhh...ok I'm done venting.
 
#71
#71
bleedingTNorange said:
As Ive said my biggest pet peeve is if you're a 3 point specialist, you've got to knock down the open ones. Nothing is more disheartening IMO than your big man working hard, making a great pass to a wide open shooter who happens to be your 3 point man, and him clanging it.

This isn't jut skylar either, although he's the guy that has to make that open lockout 9/10 times. But trae an whoever else is our on the wings, your gotta make the D pay and reward the big man for that pass.

Gahhh...ok I'm done venting.
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9/10 times is a bit much for anyone to hit, but I get your point.
 
#72
#72
zansdad said:
9/10 times is a bit much for anyone to hit, but I get your point.
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If they're wide open, no its not that crazy. Contested shots ok, but wide open looks should be knock down shots for 3 point specialist.

Not that practice is the same, but skylar hits 90+% from 3 in shoot arounds and warmups, and supposedly 70+% in practice.

I get what you're saying, but wide open looks should be say 70%, and contested say 30%, so with the attempts it averages out around 40-45% for a "3 point specialist".
 
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#73
#73
bleedingTNorange said:
If they're wide open, no its not that crazy. Contested shots ok, but wide open looks should be knock down shots for 3 point specialist.

Not that practice is the same, but skylar hits 90+% from 3 in shoot arounds and warmups, and supposedly 70+% in practice.

I get what you're saying, but wide open looks should be say 70%, and contested say 30%, so with the attempts it averages out around 40-45%
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You have to get over this McBee is a 3 point specialist thing. And expecting anyone to make 70% of open looks is a bit ridiculous as well.
 
#74
#74
zansdad said:
You have to get over this McBee is a 3 point specialist thing. And expecting anyone to make 70% of open looks is a bit ridiculous as well.
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That's what he supposedly is, is a 3 point specialist, he's nothing else how can you argue that? I'm not saying he's a good 3 point specialist, but that's definitely his label.

You wanna rebound for me because I'll knock down 70% of open 3's shooting around all day.
 
#75
#75
bleedingTNorange said:
That's what he supposedly is, is a 3 point specialist, he's nothing else how can you argue that? I'm not saying he's a good 3 point specialist, but that's definitely his label.

You wanna rebound for me because I'll knock down 70% of open 3's shooting around all day.
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He may have shown up as a 3 pt specialist but that's not why he's on the floor. He's on the floor because he plays hard and is a good off ball defender.

As for making 70% of open 3. You post the video and then I'll believe it. But considering John Jenkins led the SEC in FT percentage at about 83%, I am going to think that backing up 50% of that distance knocks a persons shooting percentage down more than 10%. Wide open or not.
 
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