Biggest Overachievers to play for the vols

[hatvol96]

Will Overstreet was one of the hardest working guys on the team. He played his butt off with less physical talent than most. The guy gave 110%, played hurt, and got results on the field. No way a guy like that can be overrated in my book.

Why does everyone keep talking about his lack of physical ability? His combine and workout numbers were so good he duped the Falcons into drafting him about 4 rounds too soon. Ask them how often he played hurt after he got his signing bonus.

 

[Freak]

Why does everyone keep talking about his lack of physical ability? His combine and workout numbers were so good he duped the Falcons into drafting him about 4 rounds too soon. Ask them how often he played hurt after he got his signing bonus.

I am just talking about him at Tennessee. I didn't follow him in Atlanta.

You are the one talking about playing along side Haynesworth and Henderson. I would say he was down the talent pole a bit. You look at his strength and speed numbers when he was here and they weren't spectacular. He was a solid contributor who got the most out of what he had through hard work and heart.

Let's hear your side hat, why is he overrated?

 

[hatvol96]

I am just talking about him at Tennessee. I didn't follow him in Atlanta.

You are the one talking about playing along side Haynesworth and Henderson. I would say he was down the talent pole a bit. You look at his strength and speed numbers when he was here and they weren't spectacular. He was a solid contributor who got the most out of what he had through hard work and heart.

Let's hear your side hat, why is he overrated?

If his speed and strength numbers weren't good at UT, he must have been Jaking it. He certainly put up impressive numbers when a paycheck was dependent on those numbers. Why was he overrated? Simple. People talk about him like he was a game changing pass rusher. He couldn't carry the bags of Leonard Little or Shaun Ellis. He should have been tabbed as what he was, a slightly above average player who benefitted greatly from being the third or fourth best player on his own defensive line. Instead, some UT fans choose to remember him as if he were the Volunteer equivalent of Richard Dent.

 

[dan4vols]

I don't know bout all that but I would catagorize him as a ''Rudy''. Maybe his 100% effort was better than average in college football, and maybe some pro scouts don't know all they are percieved to know. I do think when the ball was snapped he charged with all he had, and that impressed people...including me.

 

[therealUT]

Incase you don't remember, "his brother", Casey, is 2nd and almost every QB record at UT. 2nd only to Peyton of course. To say he never lived up to his potential is totally wrong I think. He had a very good/soild career at UT. I don't remember him being hyped to be the next come of Manning or anything.

His brother Casey also had one of the most fantastic freshman years that any UT QB has put together in their first season under center. Casey achieved a lot, but I do not believe he ever overachieved.

Rick however, went from not being SEC starting caliber at LSU to Cotton Bowl MVP and a more than impressive 2005 showing considering nobody expected him to do much more than motion in plays from the sideline.

 

[hatvol96]

His brother Casey also had one of the most fantastic freshman years that any UT QB has put together in their first season under center. Casey achieved a lot, but I do not believe he ever overachieved.

Rick however, went from not being SEC starting caliber at LSU to Cotton Bowl MVP and a more than impressive 2005 showing considering nobody expected him to do much more than motion in plays from the sideline.

If you think Clausen's 2005 performance was impressive, I'd love to have you doing my evaluations.

 

[Freak]

If his speed and strength numbers weren't good at UT, he must have been Jaking it. He certainly put up impressive numbers when a paycheck was dependent on those numbers. Why was he overrated? Simple. People talk about him like he was a game changing pass rusher. He couldn't carry the bags of Leonard Little or Shaun Ellis. He should have been tabbed as what he was, a slightly above average player who benefitted greatly from being the third or fourth best player on his own defensive line. Instead, some UT fans choose to remember him as if he were the Volunteer equivalent of Richard Dent.

I didn't say his speed and stregth numbers weren't good, just not exceptional. He probably was the third best defender on that line with Henderson and Haynesworth. I don't think people remember him as a "Richard Dent" but people like guys who do more with less.

Haynesworth is a guy that had all of the tools and did not achieve as much as he could in my eyes. You give that guy Overstreets work ethic and heart and he could have been all world.

 

[therealUT]

Hey Hat, is it really tough for you to criticize everyone else's opinions when you don't answer the original question?

Also, the question is not which Vol achieved the most, it is which Vols achieved much more than was ever expected of them.

I would qualify moving from 3rd string QB to Cotton Bowl MVP as such an accomplishment.

 

[hatvol96]

I didn't say his speed and stregth numbers weren't good, just not exceptional. He probably was the third best defender on that line with Henderson and Haynesworth. I don't think people remember him as a "Richard Dent" but people like guys who do more with less.

Haynesworth is a guy that had all of the tools and did not achieve as much as he could in my eyes. You give that guy Overstreets work ethic and heart and he could have been all world.

Is that why Haynesworth is still in the NFL and Overrated is sitting at home living off the money he stole from the Falcons?

 

[Freak]

If you think Clausen's 2005 performance was impressive, I'd love to have you doing my evaluations.

hat you take everything out of context. He said, based on what was exptected of him. The guy was never exptected to see the field at Tennessee. I would say a Cotton Bowl MVP is pretty impressive.

 

[Freak]

Is that why Haynesworth is still in the NFL and Overrated is sitting at home living off the money he stole from the Falcons?

Haynesworth had all the physical tools. The guy is a beast, and again, I am not conerned about what happens after they leave here. There are plenty of guys who were great college players that never made the NFL. There are also guys that barely played in college that had long NFL careers. I don't know what any of that has to do with being overrated (or underrated) at Tennessee

 

[hatvol96]

Hey Hat, is it really tough for you to criticize everyone else's opinions when you don't answer the original question?

Also, the question is not which Vol achieved the most, it is which Vols achieved much more than was ever expected of them.

I would qualify moving from 3rd string QB to Cotton Bowl MVP as such an accomplishment.

First, there's no such thing as an "overachiever." If you accomplish something, that is per se evidence that you had the capability to perform the task. I don't see how being one of the QBs who led the team to its first losing season in almost 20 years qualifies as doing "much more" than was expected.

 

[hatvol96]

Haynesworth had all the physical tools. The guy is a beast, and again, I am not conerned about what happens after they leave here. There are plenty of guys who were great college players that never made the NFL. There are also guys that barely played in college that had long NFL careers. I don't know what any of that has to do with being overrated (or underrated) at Tennessee

You were questioning Haynesworth's heart and championing Overrated's courage. I was simply pointing out the evidence as to who has more heart is pretty obvious. Overrated should give Henderson and Haynesworth royalty checks. He was the football equivalent of Turtle from Entourage. He lived off the talent around him.

 

[Freak]

hat doesn't like to answer questions or lay himself on the line. He likes to sit back and wait for others opinions and then snipe from the sideline.

It's not Rick's fault that he was called on the "lead the team" in 06. I am sure you think the 5-6 is solely his fault. The only good memory I have is the 2nd half of the LSU game and he is responsible for that.

Question hat: who is your favorite Vol quarterback from Manning forward and why?

 

[therealUT]

QUOTE(therealUT @ Jun 28, 2006 5:37 PM) *

Hey Hat, is it really tough for you to criticize everyone else's opinions when you don't answer the original question?

Also, the question is not which Vol achieved the most, it is which Vols achieved much more than was ever expected of them.

I would qualify moving from 3rd string QB to Cotton Bowl MVP as such an accomplishment.

First, there's no such thing as an "overachiever." If you accomplish something, that is per se evidence that you had the capability to perform the task. I don't see how being one of the QBs who led the team to its first losing season in almost 20 years qualifies as doing "much more" than was expected.

Just because one has the capability, it does not mean that great things were expected.

 

[Freak]

I was simply pointing out the evidence as to who has more heart is pretty obvious.

Where did you reference this? From the fact that AH is in the NFL? That tells you he has more heart? :blink:

 

[hatvol96]

hat doesn't like to answer questions or lay himself on the line. He likes to sit back and wait for others opinions and then snipe from the sideline.

It's not Rick's fault that he was called on the "lead the team" in 06. I am sure you think the 5-6 is solely his fault. The only good memory I have is the 2nd half of the LSU game and he is responsible for that.

Question hat: who is your favorite Vol quarterback from Manning forward and why?

From Manning forward? Tee Martin, with Casey Clausen very close behind. Both guys were winners. I'd take my chances on the road with either of them.

 

[hatvol96]

Where did you reference this? From the fact that AH is in the NFL? That tells you he has more heart? :blink:

He's not sitting at home living off money he never earned.

 

[Freak]

First, there's no such thing as an "overachiever." If you accomplish something, that is per se evidence that you had the capability to perform the task. I don't see how being one of the QBs who led the team to its first losing season in almost 20 years qualifies as doing "much more" than was expected.

I guess if there are no such things as overachievers then by logic there can be no underachievers. Therefore, everyone achieves exactly to the level of their capability.

Not even you can possilbly believe that.

 

[hatvol96]

I guess if there are no such things as overachievers then by logic there can be no underachievers. Therefore, everyone achieves exactly to the level of their capability.

Not even you can possilbly believe that.

Not true. You can fail to do something you're capable of doing. You can't do something you're not capable of doing. It's simply a matter of how close someone comes to fully actualizing their potential.

 

[Freak]

He's not sitting at home living off money he never earned.

Again, him getting injured may trouble you in some way, but in my mind it doesn't take away from what he contributed to the orange. That kind of thing happens all the time in the NFL. At that point it's all business, right?

 

[therealUT]

Not true. You can fail to do something you're capable of doing. You can't do something you're not capable of doing. It's simply a matter of how close someone comes to fully actualizing their potential.

Using Hat's Logic
You can't fail to do something you are capable of doing, because by not doing it you prove that you are not capable.

Therefore, everyone is an achiever!

 

[Freak]

Not true. You can fail to do something you're capable of doing. You can't do something you're not capable of doing. It's simply a matter of how close someone comes to fully actualizing their potential.

So you don't think that a player can improve their capability by working hard and giving maximum effort? Sounds like you are more interested in plays on words than the topic. I think you need to look up the word overachiever. It's based on expectations, not capabilities.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I just thought of another one, John Chavis. Came to UT as a walk-on and lettered his last two years. The rest is history.

 

[OWB]

Rick however, went from not being SEC starting caliber at LSU to Cotton Bowl MVP and a more than impressive 2005 showing considering nobody expected him to do much more than motion in plays from the sideline.

Our defense should have been the Cotton Bowl MVP.