Biggie vs 2 Pac

[wU-Tang Vol]

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[n_huffhines]

I wasn't talking about them being street but alright.

All you have to do is listening to their music to see who was deeper and evoked more emotion and thought.

Then what's your point about Pac calling out Biggie with Shoot 'Em Up (which is probably my favorite Pac song)?

I think Tupac might've had more hits that focused on things like Brenda (how that was a hit I'll never know), and Unconditional Love. Biggie just slipped in thought provoking stuff into songs where it wasn't necessarily the focus. That being said Suicidal Thoughts is more self-reflective (and self-defeating) than anything I know of that Tupac wrote. If you don't know it you should read the lyrics.

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. LYRICS - Suicidal Thoughts

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Pac was a politician first. Then rapper/actor/activist/enterainer.

Big was merely a great rapper.

Pac in a landslide.

 

[BadJerry20]

Then what's your point about Pac calling out Biggie with Shoot 'Em Up (which is probably my favorite Pac song)?

I think Tupac might've had more hits that focused on things like Brenda (how that was a hit I'll never know), and Unconditional Love. Biggie just slipped in thought provoking stuff into songs where it wasn't necessarily the focus. That being said Suicidal Thoughts is more self-reflective (and self-defeating) than anything I know of that Tupac wrote. If you don't know it you should read the lyrics.

NOTORIOUS B.I.G. LYRICS - Suicidal Thoughts

Cause Pac would have merked him.


Dude I know the song, he has about 5 songs were nobody thought he was gonna be anything.

Biggie was great, but Pac was a different type of rapper than most that ever done it.

 

[BadJerry20]

Pac was a politician first. Then rapper/actor/activist/enterainer.

Big was merely a great rapper.

Pac in a landslide.

This guy gets it.

 

[n_huffhines]

Cause Pac would have merked him.

Dude I know the song, he has about 5 songs were nobody thought he was gonna be anything.

Biggie was great, but Pac was a different type of rapper than most that ever done it.

English, please.

 

[n_huffhines]

This guy gets it.

That guy is from LA. LOL

 

[Daloth]

Who did Hit Em Up? Best revenge/F.U. song ever.

He sampled Bruce mother F'in hornsby and makes me get excited for ten seconds everytime I hear the song come on the radio at work before realizing it's not Changes.

I love Biggy, I loved how Diddy had him go out with a bang on his last recorded verse. but Tupac was the Abe Lincoln of rap, Biggy was just the Jackson or maybe the Kennedy at best.

For reference, Eminem is Teddy Roosevelt.

 

[n_huffhines]

All terrible presidents unless you like big government, war, and debt (Jackson was actually awsome about fixing the debt). LOL

 

[BadJerry20]

English, please.

My inner rapper came out a little there. Translation biggie didn't respond, cause Pac would have destroyed him in a battle.

Biggie has several songs where he talks about how people didn't think.he would be shizz.

Pac rapped about issues that most rappers just don't. Big rapped about typical rapper stuff.


Now pick out one line to argue about. Cause that's what you usually do when you can't dispute what I'm saying.

 

[BadJerry20]

That guy is from LA. LOL

And I'm from Knoxville and Pac is New York, doesn't make what he said wrong.

 

[BadJerry20]

Who did Hit Em Up? Best revenge/F.U. song ever.

He sampled Bruce mother F'in hornsby and makes me get excited for ten seconds everytime I hear the song come on the radio at work before realizing it's not Changes.

I love Biggy, I loved how Diddy had him go out with a bang on his last recorded verse. but Tupac was the Abe Lincoln of rap, Biggy was just the Jackson or maybe the Kennedy at best.

For reference, Eminem is Teddy Roosevelt.

Who is Nas then? What about Skee-Lo? Lol

 

[n_huffhines]

My inner rapper came out a little there. Translation biggie didn't respond, cause Pac would have destroyed him in a battle.

Biggie has several songs where he talks about how people didn't think.he would be shizz.

Pac rapped about issues that most rappers just don't. Big rapped about typical rapper stuff.

Now pick out one line to argue about. Cause that's what you usually do when you can't dispute what I'm saying.

I guess I don't get your point about Biggie repeating that topic. Are you saying Tupac didn't repeat the same topic in several songs?

I agree that Pac rapped about stuff that matters more than Big did. I think you overrate just how "deep" he was. When Pac rapped about issues he mostly rapped about the war on drugs, violence, and poverty in the hood. Hardly novel concepts in the rap game.

We can be done with this discussion now, but if you're saying I'm arguing one sentence from each of your posts you should go back and read the conversation.

 

[BadJerry20]

I guess I don't get your point about Biggie repeating that topic. Are you saying Tupac didn't repeat the same topic in several songs?

I agree that Pac rapped about stuff that matters more than Big did. I think you overrate just how "deep" he was. When Pac rapped about issues he mostly rapped about the war on drugs, violence, and poverty in the hood. Hardly novel concepts in the rap game.

We can be done with this discussion now, but if you're saying I'm arguing one sentence from each of your posts you should go back and read the conversation.

And I feel like you underrate how deep he was.

Dude I'm joking with you. You should know from all the discussions we have had that my ADHD doesn't allow me to focus for very long. Lol

We can disagree on who was better, which is honestly more about their style. As they were 2 very different types of rappers. IMO But I'm sure we can agree rap has really suffered since the loss of these 2 guys.

 

[GahLee]

And I feel like you underrate how deep he was.

Dude I'm joking with you. You should know from all the discussions we have had that my ADHD doesn't allow me to focus for very long. Lol

We can disagree on who was better, which is honestly more about their style. As they were 2 very different types of rappers. IMO But I'm sure we can agree rap has really suffered since the loss of these 2 guys.

Rap went down the ****ter when rappers started making silly money, getting million dollar advances on record deals.

It went from a cultural art of storytelling to big business.

Great rap is still around, it just lies in the peripherals.

For the record, I agree with you on the Pac vs Biggie debate.

Pac made you feel what he felt, very few artist can do that, no matter the genre. It's what set him apart from everyone else.

In the end, they can all kiss the ring and the ring has been on his hand since '94 and "he" is Nas.

 

[Daloth]

All terrible presidents unless you like big government, war, and debt (Jackson was actually awsome about fixing the debt). LOL

Lincoln/George GOAT presidents. I don't give george the nod just because he was first and a very lucky general with seemingly divine weather intervention.

Kennedy/FDR/Jackson. great turmoils of american history and came out on the other end (and of course jackson's manifest destiny ****)

As for Teddy? If you don't know why he is the most badass president ever... then I don't know what to say.

Who is Nas then? What about Skee-Lo? Lol

Nas is underrated to the point it should be criminal. Most presidents are fairly accurately rated, but if I had to find an underrated one I would go with Polk probably, maybe Monroe if you don't like that call.

SKee-lo? didn't he have that one song in the 90's? I was like 6 when it came out, so a one hit wonder in the 90's... When in doubt? Blame Hoover.

Lil Wayne is Grant, and this cannot be argued. for multiple reasons, only one of which is the draaaaank.

 

[n_huffhines]

Lincoln/George GOAT presidents. I don't give george the nod just because he was first and a very lucky general with seemingly divine weather intervention.

Kennedy/FDR/Jackson. great turmoils of american history and came out on the other end (and of course jackson's manifest destiny ****)

As for Teddy? If you don't know why he is the most badass president ever... then I don't know what to say.

I agree Teddy was a badass. He was a terrible president unless you like big government, war, and debt. Andrew Jackson was the bigger badass though. And I believe Manifest Destiny was someone else. Jackson was horrible with Indian relations, but he is a scapegoat. Van Buren was the one who really carried out most of what Jackson is credited for.

Again...if you like big government, war, and debt, then yes those are great presidents. I like Presidents you haven't heard of because they avoided war and growing the size of government.

 

[BadJerry20]

Rap went down the ****ter when rappers started making silly money, getting million dollar advances on record deals.

It went from a cultural art of storytelling to big business.

Great rap is still around, it just lies in the peripherals.

For the record, I agree with you on the Pac vs Biggie debate.

Pac made you feel what he felt, very few artist can do that, no matter the genre. It's what set him apart from everyone else.

In the end, they can all kiss the ring and the ring has been on his hand since '94 and "he" is Nas.

I agree with this

 

[Vols520]

I agree Teddy was a badass. He was a terrible president unless you like big government, war, and debt. Andrew Jackson was the bigger badass though. And I believe Manifest Destiny was someone else. Jackson was horrible with Indian relations, but he is a scapegoat. Van Buren was the one who really carried out most of what Jackson is credited for.

Again...if you like big government, war, and debt, then yes those are great presidents. I like Presidents you haven't heard of because they avoided war and growing the size of government.

U dont like Lincoln or Washington?

Thank god they liked war.

 

[Vols520]

Rap went down the ****ter when rappers started making silly money, getting million dollar advances on record deals.

It went from a cultural art of storytelling to big business.

Great rap is still around, it just lies in the peripherals.

For the record, I agree with you on the Pac vs Biggie debate.

Pac made you feel what he felt, very few artist can do that, no matter the genre. It's what set him apart from everyone else.

In the end, they can all kiss the ring and the ring has been on his hand since '94 and "he" is Nas.

Was with u till the end.

 

[n_huffhines]

U dont like Lincoln or Washington?

Thank god they liked war.

WTF

I like Washington. Didn't mean to say I didn't. He brought Washington in with his second post for some reason.

If Lincoln had avoided war worst case scenario is we'd be 2 different countries. Slavery would be illegal in both nations and it would have happened soon thereafter. I don't know what's so great about being 1 country. It's cool, but not worth 650,000 lives, in my opinion.

 

[BadJerry20]

Politics forum is down the hall on the left. TIA

 

[GahLee]

Was with u till the end.

For my money, he's the greatest ever and will never be touched.

He's Jordan.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Nas, greatest rapper ever? Maybe the greatest in his family. Nas & Tupac are not really even close. Big & Nas are. Pac is the best by far in my opinion.

 

[Persian Vol]

Hard decision for me. I don't do the rap scene but both these men get my respect along with eminem.

All three tell stories I can understand.

And I think the cops had them killed.

Didn't expect you to take part in this kind I thread haha