Biggie vs 2 Pac

#77
#77
n_huffhines said:
My mistake. Both of these albums went diamond within the last couple years. Life After Death has been Diamond for like 15 years.

A Greatest Hits album is not a 1:1 comparison for these purposes since my point is that for a small body of work, Biggie sold a lot more records.

2Pac's first album didn't even go platinum. Biggie's first album went quadruple platinum. His 2nd album went diamond. What would he have done had he lived long enough to release 5 albums like Pac?
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You do realize what a ridiculous argument albums sales is, as far as determining who's better right? What's Nas album sales compared to Nelly or Lil Wayne? Now who's the better rapper? What's Lupe Fiascos compared to Coolio? Now who's the better rapper? What's KRS-Ones compared to Will Smith's? Who's the better rapper? Album sales mean squat as far as actual talent.
 
#78
#78
orangesox said:
One good thing about Tupac and Biggie being dead is that they will never know that a thread about who is the greatest between them digressed into a political thread about George Washington and James K Polk.

Oh, and Tupac. Not even close.
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I think pac would enjoy the comparisons.

Maybe we should instead compare them to the transcendentalists and post modern poets?
 
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#81
BadJerry20 said:
You do realize what a ridiculous argument albums sales is, as far as determining who's better right? What's Nas album sales compared to Nelly or Lil Wayne? Now who's the better rapper? What's Lupe Fiascos compared to Coolio? Now who's the better rapper? What's KRS-Ones compared to Will Smith's? Who's the better rapper? Album sales mean squat as far as actual talent.
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When did I say album sales determine who is better? It means something, but it doesn't mean he's better. FTR, I'm not even the one who brought up album sales.
 
#82
#82
n_huffhines said:
When did I say album sales determine who is better? It means something, but it doesn't mean he's better.
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Well we are discussing who's better and you 2 have been going back and forth over it, so it was kind of safe to assume. And if you're not, why bring it up in a debate? Kind of a mute point otherwise. Yeah sales mean someone has put out something more commercial. It means absolutely nothing when debating who's better. KRS-One is a perfect example as is Nelly.
 
#83
#83
BadJerry20 said:
Well we are discussing who's better and you 2 have been going back and forth over it, so it was kind of safe to assume. And if you're not, why bring it up in a debate? Kind of a mute point otherwise. Yeah sales mean someone has put out something more commercial. It means absolutely nothing when debating who's better. KRS-One is a perfect example as is Nelly.
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I didn't bring it up. He did.
 
#84
#84
n_huffhines said:
I didn't bring it up. He did.
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You're right he did, but you both have been arguing over it for a couple pages. I just think arguing album sales is pointless and kinda dumb when trying to determine who's better. A lot of the greats don't sale well, while a lot of really sh*tty artists sale like crazy. But carry on.
 
#85
#85
Sorry for the ranting, I have buddies who do this with artists and actors, drives me crazy. Lol
 
#86
#86
#87
#87
n_huffhines said:
Well, since you brought it up, I'd say moving millions of copies of a gangster rap album does mean something. I agree with your point when it comes to popular mainstream music, but gangster rap is a different animal. Looking down this list a bit every gangster rap album seems legit to me.

List of best-selling hip hop albums in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Agreed except Master P was a joke, and Ja Rule was a DMX rip off and a joke. Also no KRS-One, Public Enemy, Cube, Rakim proves my point also. I'm lazy or I'd compare that list about MCs you put up earlier and this one. I'm willing to bet at least 75% of those guys are not on the second list. I get what you're saying, but think back to the hype of those gangster albums before they came out. 50 sold like crazy because of hype and he's a very average M.C.
 
#88
#88
50 Cent's first album was legit, I thought. Haven't listened to it in years though. I never listened to his other albums because the singles were always crap.
 
#89
#89
n_huffhines said:
50 Cent's first album was legit, I thought. Haven't listened to it in years though. I never listened to his other albums because the singles were always crap.
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Yeah the album was pretty good, just don't think he's a very good M.C. Agree everything after that album is garbage IMO For the record DMX is probably my favorite rapper ever, though he's average lyrically, but his music makes me want to run through a wall. Plus you could feel what he said, goes a long way with me.
 
#90
#90
Daloth said:
I think pac would enjoy the comparisons.

Maybe we should instead compare them to the transcendentalists and post modern poets?
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You could, but good luck finding anyone on VN who knows what either of those are. Me included.
 
#93
#93
orangesox said:
You could, but good luck finding anyone on VN who knows what either of those are. Me included.
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Now you understand why I did Presidents.


FYI, most famous of the first group are Emerson and Thoreau, and for post modern poets... well not many famous or good ones. Most people consider Lolita to be probably the greatest postmodern literary work.
 
#94
#94
Vols520 said:
It was only brought up because notabed said its not even close.


Dude is a tool. You missed the point of the post per usual.
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Holy. ****. Dude.

You posed the question "Who u got?" I responded "The Notorious B.I.G., and it isn't even that close."

That's it. I respect Tupac and his greatness/contributions. Hell, I'd probably put him in a list of my five favorite rappers. I vastly preferred the East Coast style of hip hop, so that discounts Tupac in my book slightly. Furthermore, while Tupac was a legend, he was primarily skilled at writing these "thought provoking" lines about whatever activist cause with which he was enamored. He managed to juxtapose a more laid back style of music with really heavy content and message, which doesn't necessarily do it for me.

B.I.G. was clearly the better lyricist and had superior flow as well. His music was catchier, more "fun" and just better to listen to if we define listen as something other than scrutinize lyrics for a deeper philosophical meaning. I understand that some people prefer Tupac but, again, the question you posed was "Who u got?" And, for me, it's B.I.G. and it isn't even that close.

So, anyway, congrats on managing to turn this into an argument without me even posting for the last three pages.
 
#95
#95
notabed22 said:
Holy. ****. Dude.

You posed the question "Who u got?" I responded "The Notorious B.I.G., and it isn't even that close."

That's it. I respect Tupac and his greatness/contributions. Hell, I'd probably put him in a list of my five favorite rappers. I vastly preferred the East Coast style of hip hop, so that discounts Tupac in my book slightly. Furthermore, while Tupac was a legend, he was primarily skilled at writing these "thought provoking" lines about whatever activist cause with which he was enamored. He managed to juxtapose a more laid back style of music with really heavy content and message, which doesn't necessarily do it for me.

B.I.G. was clearly the better lyricist and had superior flow as well. His music was catchier, more "fun" and just better to listen to if we define listen as something other than scrutinize lyrics for a deeper philosophical meaning. I understand that some people prefer Tupac but, again, the question you posed was "Who u got?" And, for me, it's B.I.G. and it isn't even that close.

So, anyway, congrats on managing to turn this into an argument without me even posting for the last three pages.
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A debate isn't an argument. I don't mind you having a differing opinion, I do mind that every thread that you attend turns into a cluster ****.

Maybe that wasn't your intention on this one, but you have a lousy track record.
 
#96
#96
Vols520 said:
A debate isn't an argument. I don't mind you having a differing opinion, I do mind that every thread that you attend turns into a cluster ****.

Maybe that wasn't your intention on this one, but you have a lousy track record.
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Okay then; we seem to agree that both artists are great in their own right (among the all time best) but differ in opinion as to which style/artist we prefer.
 
#97
#97
Vols520 said:
It was only brought up because notabed said its not even close.


Dude is a tool. You missed the point of the post per usual.
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Wait, what? The point of bringing up album sales is that notabed is a tool? You're right, I don't get your point.
 
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