Bill introduced into Congress to force a playoff

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milohimself said:
I skimmed the link, but where does it say congress has introduced a bill to force a playoff?

I searched briefly, I'm not aware of any such bill that exists yet.

This thread = wasted space
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The link I posted has been changed by MSNBC apparently. Here is a link to the same article on another site.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/06/sports/AP-FBC-The-BCS-Cartel.html

It states the following:

"Barton said he's hopeful his bill will wind its way through the House starting later this month. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, is interested in the issue. They both could have President Barack Obama's support; last year, Obama famously said there ought to be a playoff."
 
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milohimself said:
This whole argument is speculative, obviously, but the bottom line is that the MWC is overall in the same ballpark of quality as three conferences with automatic qualifying bids.
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I doubt any team from that conference outside the big 3 has a noncon win (excluding service academies).
 
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kptvol said:
I doubt any team from that conference outside the big 3 has a noncon win (excluding service academies).
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All FBS noncon or just BCS?

Colorado State beat Colorado and Nevada
San Diego State beat New Mexico State (yawn)
UNLV beat Hawaii
Wyoming beat Florida Atlantic and still plays Fresno
Air Force beat Army (I'll count a service academy for this one :p) and still plays Houston

Of course, many of the BCS non-cons were lopsided games against better BCS schools, Texas, Oregon State, TAMU, etc.

MWC seems to be about as good at the top as any conference in the country, and isn't that much worse at the bottom than some other BCS conferences.

Will be interesting to see if this talk of Boise joining the MWC turns out to be true.
 
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If this bill actually passes, I hope the BCS sticks it to them by just calling the game something different.
 
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mbushnell said:
I was just coming here to post that. I personally think it is great. People can cry and moan all they want about Congress having more important things to do, but in all reality it probably took about 10 minutes of their time to discuss and take the vote. It just seems like common sense to me.
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I bet it wastes a lot more time than you'd realize.
 
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Does the NCAA fall under antitrust regulations?

I'm on the fence. On one hand the government does have much more important fish to fry, but there have been situations where government hearings have forced leagues to positively take stands on things, like 'roids and concussions.
 
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Now we just need the government to step in and fix a few more things. Coaching salaries are out of control. Pay should be determined in Washington. Also, FSU needs to change their themes to something less offensive to Native Americans. And to spread the wealth, each school should only be able to sign one 5 star player per year and maybe five 4 star players. That would make things a lot more fair. Also, I don't think it's right that schools like UT and Notre Dame make all this money from sales of jerseys and team-related clothing just because they've been successful for so many decades. They should have to split that money with every school in the country.
 
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kptvol said:
I bet it wastes a lot more time than you'd realize.
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I'd bet that it doesn't. So what if some congressional staffer wastes their time writing this bill? It is not like the actual representative is wasting a large amount of his time on it. He just shows up to vote based on what the staffers tell him a lot of times.
 
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mbushnell said:
I'd bet that it doesn't. So what if some congressional staffer wastes their time writing this bill? It is not like the actual representative is wasting a large amount of his time on it. He just shows up to vote based on what the staffers tell him a lot of times.
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Time wasting is what these guys do.
 
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kptvol said:
Now we just need the government to step in and fix a few more things. Coaching salaries are out of control. Pay should be determined in Washington. Also, FSU needs to change their themes to something less offensive to Native Americans. And to spread the wealth, each school should only be able to sign one 5 star player per year and maybe five 4 star players. That would make things a lot more fair. Also, I don't think it's right that schools like UT and Notre Dame make all this money from sales of jerseys and team-related clothing just because they've been successful for so many decades. They should have to split that money with every school in the country.
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I know you were being sarcastic here, but this would be fun to see.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It's a stupid bill. It really shouldn't be their decision.
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I will also be interesting to see how the courts rule in the inevitible lawsuits from this crap. I question whether congress even has the constitutional authority to tell a private sports promoter (in this case the BCS) what terms they can and can't use to promote their main event.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I agree. While I've been a long time supporter of some kind of playoff, the government needs to stay the hell out of it.
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Unfortunately government intervention is probably the only way it's ever going to happen.

MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I will also be interesting to see how the courts rule in the inevitible lawsuits from this crap. I question whether congress even has the constitutional authority to tell a private sports promoter (in this case the BCS) what terms they can and can't use to promote their main event.
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They might, since the issue affects public universities. Somebody with a background in law might be better suited to answer that, though.
 
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milohimself said:
Unfortunately government intervention is probably the only way it's ever going to happen.
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That may be true, but if it means having the government stick their noses into it, I would rather do without a playoff. College football has survived for 150 years without a playoff system.

milohimself said:
They might, since the issue affects public universities. Somebody with a background in law might be better suited to answer that, though.
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I don't have a background in law, but it seems to me that it is not the universities which are promoting a national championship, but rather the BCS. The BCS is essentially a sanctioning body. It would be like congress telling the NFL that they can no longer promote the pro football championship game as the Super Bowl.
 
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The simple solution would be to promote it as the BCS 1 vs 2 Bowl or something like that. That would be completely within the letter of this ridiculous legislation. Then the media polls can crown the winner as the national champion. Congress can't tell the media what to call it without completely subverting the First Amendment.
 
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Having the media crown the national champs seems like a half step back towards the pre-BCS system. That's some good irony.
 
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milohimself said:
Having the media crown the national champs seems like a half step back towards the pre-BCS system. That's some good irony.
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You give them back the right to declare who the champ is and I wonder how much complaining we keep hearing.
 
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Politicians have managed to wreck this country fairly quickly. Let's see how long it takes them to wreck college football.
 
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mbushnell said:
I was just coming here to post that. I personally think it is great. People can cry and moan all they want about Congress having more important things to do, but in all reality it probably took about 10 minutes of their time to discuss and take the vote. It just seems like common sense to me.
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no that's how long it should have taken.

the problem is that everything takes much, much longer with them: talking, someone filabustering, someone trying to tack on something else to the bill, people arguing about tacking something on, a vote about tacking something on, back to discussion, etc

in reality though - with how slow beurocracy (sp?) seems to be, i'd be surprised if this thing didn't take at least a better part of a week with them. Which unfortunately, they only do things when they are actually in session which isn't all year, so yeah this is kinda wasted time
 
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